Talk:Dido (singer)

Question

Here's a question. Should she be at Dido (singer)? Because most people probably don't know her as "Dido Armstrong", just as Dido, the singer... -- Oliver P. 15:46, 22 August 2003 (UTC)

I second the question (although seconding a question is rather bizarre). David 21:41, 20 October 2003 (UTC)

FYI, for those like myself who were wondering — "Dido (singer)" has been established as a referred link to this page, and looking up "Dido" provides a link here, so all three lookup methods are working. -- Jeff Q 17:58, 1 April 2004 (UTC)

I don't see why to change it, since her real name is after all Dido Armstrong, and she doesn't hide it or anything, and as Jeff Q said people probably shouldn't have any problem finding the article. Sarge Baldy 00:56, 2 April 2004 (UTC)

Agreed.

James F. (talk) 06:33, 2 April 2004 (UTC)

Actually, I think that there is precedent at Jewel (singer), and in the policy page Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names). As her professional name is Dido, the use of her last name is arbitrary really. This is the same reason that Bill Clinton's page is not hosted at William Jefferson Clinton, and Eminem's page is not hosted at Marshall Mathers. The page really should be moved to Dido (singer). --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 23:36, 28 February 2005 (UTC)

Yes, and the same issue was discussed for Jem (singer) vs Jemma Griffiths. This page should be moved to Dido (singer). - MykReeve T·C 11:17, 29 April 2005 (UTC)

So... if no one has any other objections, I'll move this tonight. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 18:48, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Well, I object, but mostly for aesthetic reasons. Her full name is actually listed in her albums, even if she's more recognized by the stage name. And really I think using someone's last name makes more sense when it's a choice between that and simply listing their occupation in parentheses. But if there's already a policy for doing it this way then I don't think I care enough to want to challenge it. Sarge Baldy 19:18, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

I went ahead and did the move. What tipped the scales for me was the fact that her albums are alphabetized under "D" in music stores (and other Wikipedia articles), so I think it makes sense for her article to be at Dido (singer). --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 16:06, May 23, 2005 (UTC)

Hi there, Why don't we have Dido Armstrong as the title of the article? The full given name can be bracketed rather than Dido(Singer)? Is Bono written as Bono(singer)? NO! (I just checked it). Please enlighten me-I have come a little later to this article than I should have perhaps-there must be some really great reasons for it...I propose we change the title to Dido Armstrong. Discussion? Kind regards --Read-write-services 00:26, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

A bit POV

I was just thinking this is a bit POV if it says best known for her song Thank You. Since both of her albums went #1 wouldn't she also be known for those? This article was possibly written by an Eminem fan.--Redwolf24 04:04, 7 June 2005 (UTC)

This was really left by 71.112.4.235. --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 04:35, 7 June 2005 (UTC)

Why "Greek" mythology?

Why is there a mention of "Greek mythology"? Dido was the queen of Carthage, so shouldn't it fall under European or Roman mythology, especially since she's mainly in the Aenid? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.148.0.60 (talk) 21:10, 17 June 2005 (UTC)

I agree with you, so I went ahead and changed the word from Greek to Roman. The original Latin text of the Aeneid is online at Project Gutenberg, and the character is called "Dido" in it, which I think is enough justification for the change. Cgray4 09:36, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Thank You

"She is perhaps best known for her 2001 hit song "Thank You", which was used by the rapper Eminem as the basis for one of his own hit singles, "Stan". "

"Thank you" is rather older than 2001. It was re-released after the success of "Stan". I'm not sure when it was originally released but it is certainly on the soundtrack of the film Sliding Doors from 1998. Can some get a date on the original release? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LiamE (talk • contribs) 16:14, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

According to allmusic, Sliding Doors is the first published recording of Thank You. It was then released on her 1999 No Angel. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 16:38, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

2006?

2006 anything for her??Maoririder 20:26, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Trivia section

Can we have a show of hands over whether to retain the trivia section? Much of it strikes me as complete bollocks, e.g. * She grew up without television; * Dido admits to have played 'Monopoly' on her own as a child; * Dido's album Life For Rent contains a hidden track "Closer" that follows the final song "See the Sun" after a two minute pause; * Dido's album "Life For Rent" is copy protected using the Copy Control system. This means that along with many other Sony BMG titles it will not play on many computers and CD players; * Dido is a huge Arsenal fan, Ray Parlour is one of her favorite players ...etc etc. I personally think this (and similar sections elsewhere) are amateurish and silly, and severely degrades the encyclopaedic quality of the article (and it does look suspiciously liek it may have been lifted from another site verbatum), but i don't want to ditch it without consensus. Chime in below with comments if you have an opinion. Cheers, Badgerpatrol 01:43, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

I say junk it all. Apart from anything else, what does "After her appearance in the Live 8 show in London, a trivia was inserted during break; "Dido was named after an African Queen" actually mean?!?!?!?! ChrisTheDude 09:12, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Rumour - Dido maybe noble

Maybe it's also possible that Dido could be noble because one part of her name is de Bounevialle which means "from Bounevialle". so it can be that she is also a relative of french nobles. *g* But in the moment it's only a rumour. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spam (talk • contribs) 19:01, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

If we are to go by that then I'm noble too (descended from Kings of Connacht, Deheurbharth, England, etc) which would come as a great suprise both to me and those who know me. There's a difference between being a noble and being of noble descent. Fergananim 14:39, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your opinion and off course there is a difference of being a descent from a noble or being noble. I did mean that she could be of noble descent, off course. When she is noble we would already know,or not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spam (talk • contribs) 14:54, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Who's Bob?

She dedicates her first album "... most of all, to BOB." Anyone know who he is, or was?Fergananim 14:39, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Bob Page is a lawyer who she had a 7 year long relationship with. Spam 15:00, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Lucky guy, that Bob. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ndteegarden (talk • contribs) 10:17, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Is that true? Damn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.211.145.21 (talk) 03:00, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Is she only in her thirties?

An article on some new skin reatment to reduce ageing listed her as 49 (in 2002). Can we clarify her age. Antares33712 14:25, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Dido is in her 30's. 34, I believe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.152.195.196 (talk) 11:00, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

35 as of Christmas Day 2006. Andyroost 19:28, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

She's 52. 162.142.119.16 (talk) 21:26, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Back to basics

Could somebody start again and write a really good, authoritative article? There is a dearth of published material about Dido and so there is a real opportunity here. What do others think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by IXIA (talk • contribs) 22:06, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

i think... no Woodgreener 20:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Dispute?

It appears that none of the questions currently on this talk page apply to the article itself, and none of the conjecture here is in the article... so I'm removing the dispute template from the top. If some one feels the content is still disputed they can re-add the disclaimer and explain why. - BalthCat 04:08, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Utterly wrong the valid and totally impartial criticism of Dido's music backed up by valid Links has been removed.

The input on this site is now biased and unimpartial --Nighthawkx15 22:50, 14 September 2006 (UTC)Nighthawkx15

You may want to elaborate. - BalthCat 02:29, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

The information on the second paragraph regarding the Odds & Ends CD is absolutely inaccurate. Odds & Ends was NOT Dido's 'demo tape' and was issued AFTER the 1999 release of No Angel, but there are many more inaccuracies in that paragraph, and I propose it simply be deleted. Where do you draw the line in a biographical article anyway? This sort of music-biz related information is just geek-stuff and really bogs down the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.108.201 (talk) 10:43, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, Odds and Ends, was released by Nettwerk Records as a promotional item, in Canada before No Angel was released. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.152.214.112 (talk) 15:14, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Odds and Ends was never released as a real 'promo' item, purely an in-house thing. All of the handful of copies in circulation seem to have come directly from Nettwerk's own offices (in LA as well as Canada), rather than radio stations etc. There is also a US 2-cd promo of it along with NO ANGEL.

Before or after isn't particularly in contention, I'm just saying it wasn't four years beforehand! I have some recordings from c1995, and believe me they aren't in the mostly completed shape that the O&E songs are in, apart from River Run Me Dry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.73.188 (talk) 10:45, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Trivia

• Although she was born on Christmas Day, she reportedly celebrates her birthday on June 25th.

• The video for "White Flag," the lead single from Life For Rent, features actor David Boreanaz, star of American TV vampire series Angel.

• Dido actually finished a Law Degree at a London University before choosing to focus on her music full-time.

• Different lines from her song "Do You Have A Little Time?" were sampled and used as the hook in the 2Pac song "Don't You Trust Me?" from his latest posthumous release.

• The right-wing British National Party quoted lyrics from 'White Flag' and 'This Land Is Mine' on their website, quoting the lyrics as a nationalistic white supremic statement, until they were forced not to, as Dido did not want to be associated with the group.

Only Reference I can find to this is in "The Sun" (For american readers a print run of that "newspaper" was once requested by the navy for sailors to wipe their bums with.) And if either of the songs is applicable to a nation (get real!) surely it's more welcoming of newcomers than hostile towards them. Presumably we're talking about poor excuses for englishmen chanting the lines "There Will Be No White Flag Above This Door", and "Just So Long, as you know, This Land Is Mine" utterly out of context.194.129.249.111 15:40, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

• Dido co-wrote the UK #2 Britney Spears' song "I'm Not A Girl, Not Yet A Woman" from the 2001 album Britney, with Swedish songwriter Max Martin. The song was also featured in Spears' 2002 film Crossroads, and was awarded a Razzie for Worst Original Song.

• Dido and Rollo both grew up without a television in their house, as their mother did not believe in it.

• Dido is a huge football fan, and supports Arsenal FC; Ray Parlour is one of her favorite players.

• Dido got her start in music with her stolen recorder when she was 5.

• Dido's second album Life For Rent contains a hidden track, "Closer," which follows the final song, "See the Sun," after a two minute pause.
• The search string "dido" was under Top 10 keywords in Google Germany during autumn 2003. Google Zeitgeist

I put the Trivia here if somebody needs it. --Spam 23:37, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Talk removed

I removed all the talk at the top of the page as was all resolved 2003-2005(Changing from Dido Armstrong to Dido (Singer), a small POV issue and changing from Greek to Roman Mythology). Hope thats ok. Please delete this paragraph when you think neccessary. Woodgreener 20:10, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I restored the talk from the article history, per WP:TPG. Earlier discussions should be archived when appropriate, not deleted. Ken Gallager (talk) 20:52, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Totally biased

This article was written and edited by a die hard fan I like Dido, but I can also understand the valid UK Guardian newspaper criticism of her tendency to "twee and bland aural wallpaper" Criticism balances the article, by removing the criticism the article is just pointless So I've put it back --Nighthawkx15 09:52, 3 October 2006 (UTC)Hawk

Third Album

How come there's hardly any, or nearly no information about Dido's third album and it's going to be released in less than two months? Andyroost 23:19, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

-- Best info I can find suggests the album is not released until the third quarter so the likely reason is simply that the album release date is much further away. PatrickDunfordNZ 13:18, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Seems to be sliding back and back and back... Was once posted as being before end of 2006, I've got a feeling that the Brixton Acedemy DVD was released as a prelude to a third album... and that was 2005! If she ever gets bored of music she'd make a great manager in British Industry;-) (Only kidding, in your own time!:-) 194.129.249.111 19:46, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

And now before the end of 2008... Scruffy brit (talk) 06:34, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

In the section Safe Trip Home: (2008–present), it said that Gregory Campbell is "MP for East Londonderry and Minister for Sports, Arts and Leisure for Northern Ireland". Can I delete this description, and leaving his name only?
--Chimin 07 (talk) 08:04, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Related to?

"The right-wing British National Party quoted lyrics from 'White Flag' and 'This Land Is Mine' on their website, quoting the lyrics as a nationalistic..." That is interesting. One of the leading active British National Front members from the 60's was Rosine de Bounevialle. Unusual surname, part of Dido's name. Does anyone know if they are related? Jfbcubed 18:21, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

How related is related, By the time you get out to...say...sixth cousin you're related to pretty much everyone. (Unless you're welsh that is)194.129.249.111 15:40, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Inconsistency?

Here's a line that is rather perplexing -

"In 2006 , Dido began recording demo tracks, put together on a collection entitled Odds & Ends, and sent out by Nettwerk management, who had signed her after being brought to their attention through her collaborations with Faithless (Dido co-wrote and provided vocals for album tracks, such as "Flowerstand Man" and "Hem Of His Garment") the UK dance act spearheaded by her brother, Rollo Armstrong."

Now, not the whole line is as such, only the mention of the year 2006, since that's obviously a long time after she made any type of breakthrough, international or otherwise. The question being, is someone mistaken with the year? Was it perhaps intended to be somewhere in the earl 1990's? --75.35.82.128 03:31, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

- 2006 is completely the wrong year. If that is still in the article. it just shows there has been a lot of vandalism that hasn't been picked up. PatrickDunfordNZ 05:59, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Change of name

Revision as of 19:26, 3 March 2007 by 76.190.1.13 posted a change to the artist's name that cannot be verified. Revision as of 19:27, 3 March 2007 by 76.190.1.13 perpetuated this change in other parts of the document. Like all reputable material, references are required for such changes. (I find it strange that Wikipedia still allows accountless editing from anonymous people) PatrickDunfordNZ 05:41, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

- in accordance with my above comments I have placed the tag on the top of this page. There has been repeated vandalism of the subject's name on the article page. No verification has been provided for any of the numerous name changes, including the currently displayed name, which at the time of writing this can be seen at this URL: http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Dido_%28singer%29&oldid=115008012 At this time, I do not wish to make the correction as I do not have an authoritative source to verify the correct form of name with. PatrickDunfordNZ 13:32, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

There is no evidence that her surname is Grant. Her father, William Armstrong, was a well-known figure in the publihsing world and her brother Rollo uses the name Armstrong. She was known as Dido Armstrong at school. I have amneded and inserted some reliable references. BONNUIT 04:59, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Legal birth name

I have read that her birth name is Florian Cloud De Bounevialle Armstrong and that Dido is actually a nickname (used by her family as well) that she has had since she was a young child. Does anybody have a source for whether Dido is her actual birth name? —MJBurrage • TALK • 23:26, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I just found her in the UK birth registry available on line, and Dido is not birth name, I have edited the article to reflect that. (see the note in the article for a link to the source) —MJBurrage • TALK • 00:56, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

You say that's an online resource, do you have a link? 194.129.249.111 20:11, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Dido is not a "Stage" name. She has been asked a number od times and it is her real name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.84.92.191 (talk) 16:48, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

We have provided a reliable source that shows you are mistaken. --Yamla (talk) 17:45, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Another person who knows that Dido is her real name... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.50.144.41 (talk) 21:00, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

In every printed source I've seen, including interviews, her "full" name has been given as either "Dido Armstrong" or "Dido Flourian De Bounevialle Armstrong". And I trust dead-tree groupthink (Which will have been waved under lawyers, agents etc.) more than I trust wikipedia groupthink. I've googled "UK birth registry", few of the links are in the .gov.uk domain. (I.E. They aren't official!) and none of the .gov.uk results offer a search of Births. Please give a link to your reliable source, because at the moment it's looking more like complete bollocks! Scruffy brit (talk) 06:17, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

The American Society of Composers, Artists and Performers lists Dido as "ARMSTRONG FLORIAN CLOUD DE BOU". Her name is too long to fit in one of their standard entries, but they would list her as "ARMSTRONG DIDO FLORIAN CLOUD D" if Dido was her legal first name. I intend to edit the article as such, with a citation of the ASCAP database, but I can see that this is a contentious issue so I invite everybody's opinion on this before I do. Bm213 (talk) 22:55, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• I notice that one of the references already in the article states that William Armstrong and his wife had two children: Rowland Constantine O'Malley ("Rollo") and Florian Cloud de Bounevialle ("Dido").
• There is also the following quote, which implies that she was once known by a name other than her given name: To be called one thing and christened another is actually very confusing and annoying. It's one of the most irritating things that my parents did to me. I'm still irritated by it. Florian is a German man's name. That's just mean. To give your child a whole lot of odd names. They were all so embarrassing. Bm213 (talk) 23:06, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I have brought this up many times. I would support any change that shows that Dido is not her birth name (which it is NOT), and that AT least the legal birth name section is changed to reflect that Florian is actually her first REAL name. She has contradicted herself in interviews as to what her name is, stating Dido Florian Cloude etc. to Florian Cloude De etc. So as far as I'm concerned, I would like the article to reflect her real name. An entry to the ASCAP is supposed to be the correct LEGAL name of the artist (whether changed by deed poll or otherwise), seems to confirm that legally she is Florian Cloude De Bounevialle Armstrong. Her stage name, nickname or pseudonym is Dido. Cheers and good luck.--Read-write-services (talk) 00:13, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

References

Photograph and article name change proposed

Hi there, Could someone please find a public domain photograph of Dido for this article? It is very uninteresting to have the article blank apart from some text. Also, I propose a name change for this article to Dido Armstrong with the disambiguation page updated with links incorporating Dido, Dido Armstrong and Florian Cloud de Bounevialle as redirects to this article-how does everyone feel about this? What I'd really like is a personal go ahead from Dido herself *hint hint* regards.

Oh, P.S. Dear Dido, you can respond right here or via my talk page. haha.--Read-write-services 23:38, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

• Today user:Crumbsucker reverted the article back to Dido (Singer) from Dido Armstrong-I wuld love to have this discussed and some idea of editors/readers ideas on the re-revert of this back to Dido Armstrong. Please state support or disagree so we can iron this out suitably-by consensus. i would love to hear good reasons for ad against so that we get a real understanding of what would be best in this instance. Thank you.--Read-write-services 04:34, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Still waiting...--Read-write-services 23:09, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Is there any reason to believe that she is "billing" herself as Dido Armstrong now? I've only ever heard her referred to as "Dido", in which case "Dido (singer)" is the correct article name. --Yamla 23:19, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

• Good point. However, as I stated above i'd prefer 'Dido' as the name of the article-just like you but disamb causes problems. Also, another thing though, using the logic as stated by Crumbsucker, shouldn't Bono be called Bono(singer) or Elvis be called Elvis(singer) or perhaps Cher called Cher(singer) etc.? Cheers--Read-write-services 23:26, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Bono vs Bono (singer) is a separate disambiguation issue. The point is that Bono is his stage name, not Paul David Hewson. Crumbsucker 23:25, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

• Oh yes to answer your question to "Is there any reason to believe that she is "billing" herself as Dido Armstrong now?" look at the liner notes on all of her compositions-"Written by Dido Armstrong" (Reference: Dido-Life for Rent)-Also, " Dido Armstrong published by warner chappell music ltd.". Actually, I think that that tends to add a little more weight to the discussion for revert. Kind regards.--Read-write-services 23:35, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Writings credits often use an artist's full name instead of their stage names. Snoop Dogg and Dr. Dre do this in writing credits, for example, but their articles wouldn't use their full names as the title, just like you wouldn't with Dido's. Crumbsucker 23:25, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Since it is necessary to distinguish her from the Queen of Carthage, there is a choice between "Dido (singer)" [or "Dido (Something else)"] and Dido Armstrong, which, as noted above, is the name she uses as a songwriter. So I'd vote for Dido Armstrong. IXIA 06:37, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello again. As there has been no real negative response or valid reason not to change the title back to Dido Armstrong, I have done it. Cheers!--Read-write-services 00:13, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Once again contined edits to her real name within the article are annoying can anyone PLEASE locate her REAL name?--Read-write-services (talk) 00:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

The current photograph is hideous! IXIA (talk) 22:35, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Dido's real name IS "Dido" She has said so in many interviews, such as this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNGyM7nxl10 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.84.171.125 (talk) 17:00, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

"Dido" is pronounced ...?

Can the pronunciation of "Dido" be added? I think DIE-doe but I don't know... and if IPA is used, I still won't know, ha ha :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.174.107.130 (talk) 19:42, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, will do. kwami (talk) 02:57, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Citation needed for claim that Dido was a thief

Theft is a criminal offence. If true, we must have references or risk violating BLP. Spevw (talk) 23:27, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Resolved, reference added by someone else. Thank you. Spevw (talk) 00:27, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

In any case, the age of criminal responsibility is ten. IXIA (talk) 22:37, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

WP:BLP guidelines are pretty firm, just double check that you have good WP:RS before you do post something.Eruditess (talk) 04:00, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Changing her accent

Does anyone know at what point Dido changed her accent? Her toff accent suddenly sounded 'street', it is a considerable difference even to the untrained ear. In early interviews Dido speaks with a champagne Chiswick cadence but later she waxes lyrical with an Acton affected articulation. With such a privileged background could it be that her affected speech is an attempt to sound more like the 'oiks' that buy her records? Surely this faux-urban voice she put on needs a mention in her trivia section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.14.152.15 (talk) 01:46, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

(errr.... who wrote the above?) Hmmm, I'd noticed the change in diction in "Life For Rent" however many people's accents are sliding towards forms of Estuary English and so the change might not have been entirely intentional. (And, whoever you are, that's 'Products of the State Education System' rather than 'oiks' thank you very much!;-)

Scruffy brit (talk) 06:19, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

correction:

she changed her accent totally. In her latest album she sings less 'british' (much less), more close to american (in some songs) and actually it is something to write about. Not every singer *if at all* changes his mother-tong for selling more records.

[06:11, 10 April 2009] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.183.126.116 (talk)

Are you all sure she did it to sell more records? Isn't it just because she lives more in California now then in England ? Look at Madonna, she lives in London and her accent has changed since she left America... 78.128.186.97 (talk) 09:02, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Your accent doesn't change after you're an adult as old as Madonna (or Dido) is! Madonna affects a British accent because she thinks its cool. She does not really have a British accent. 214.13.130.104 (talk) 11:10, 30 January 2010 (UTC)TexxasFinn

O'Malley ?

Can you please take out the "O'Malley" of the artists name. The source web page doesn't even mention this name.

• Thank you*

N00bh4ck3r (talk) 17:50, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Personal life

While the list of Dido's boyfriends shows a disturbing attention to detail, she was reported as still going out with Bob until 2002. There have been lots of rumours about her partners over the years, many of which have been rebuffed or debunked, and is it any of our business anyway? Scruffy brit (talk) 06:48, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

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Biography, Real Name and Birth Name

I originally contributed to the Legal birth name thread, as I had found more references for her real name being "Florian Cloud De Bounevialle Armstrong", which I intended to add to the opening sentence of the main article. Since then, I have realised that I was missing the point. Dido's real name is whatever Dido says it is, and we have a citation for her real name being "Dido Florian Cloud de Bounevialle O'Malley Armstrong". However, a good encyclopaedic article should include details of her birth name and how it came to be changed. Apart from being an important fact in itself, Dido's birth name had a significant impact on her during childhood.

To this end, I am making a contribution to the Biography section. I will have to make changes to the existing content, so that it still reads well, but I will not make any substantial deletions. Usually, the birth name is written in the opening sentence. In this case, I believe it would be a bad idea for the following reasons:

1. It would make the first sentence cumbersome — Dido Florian Cloud de Bounevialle O'Malley Armstrong (born Florian Cloud de Bounevialle Armstrong 25 December 1971) professionally known as Dido (/ˈdaɪdoʊ/ DYE-doe), is an award winning English singer-songwriter.
2. The birth name is already contained in the full name given.
3. It would provoke a resumption of the edit war which reached maximum intensity between October 2007 and March 2008, when 30 edits simply added or removed "Dido" from the name given in the opening sentence.
4. There are precedents for not including the birth name in the opening sentence. For example, Irving Berlin and George Gershwin.

I am sure that some editors will still add "Dido" to the birth name, despite the references including Dido's birth certificate and the public records held by the General Register Office (with a link to a scan of the document, so you can see for yourself). However, it should be less of a problem if a full explanation is given, and if it is not in the opening sentence. Labalius (talk) 15:29, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I wasn't around when the whole edit war happened, but I am (still) extremely confused by this. I don't really understand why the page is as it is.

First, we have many sources that back up the claim that her birth name was Florian Cloud (etc.), except for the fact that she says it's Dido Florian Cloud (etc.). I agree that her stage name is whatever she wants it to be (although that is simply Dido, not the whole bunch of names), but I do think Wikipedia needs to reflect her actual birth name—and most sources, except herself, claim it is Flroian Cloud (etc.). To me, this clearly is (or at least has been) a contentious matter, and shouldn't that be reason to use third-party sources? I don't think Dido herself would lie or anything, but what she says is not really congruent with other sources.

So, this is why I don't understand why we actually have three (!) different names on the article:

1. Her stage name: Dido
2. Her birth name (under the Biography section): Florian Cloud De Bounevialle Armstrong
3. A third name : Dido Florian Cloud de Bounevialle O'Malley Armstrong, which is actually the most confusing part. Not only is it a mash-up of the other two, but it also has O'Malley thrown in there as well.

Is this supposed to be what she calls herself? Her new legal name? Did she go through a name change to include Dido and O'Malley too?

I find it all very confusing, that's why I don't think it should be left as it is. –QuadrivialMind ^(talk) 20:08, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi there Hooray and Congratulations for the extract of birth entry-finally the actual document! Please fix the article and if possible place a protect or similar to advise potential editors from changing the birth name from Florian to Dido again before getting PROOF such as a (another??) birth certificate that states that her birth name is not Florian. Good work. kind regards, --Read-write-services (talk) 22:11, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I am hopeful that edit protection will not be necessary if we provide a full and balanced presentation of verifiable facts. I am not afraid to delete content which is clearly wrong, but it is not clear to me that opening the article with the name Dido Florian Cloud de Bounevialle O'Malley Armstrong is wrong. According to the Wikipedia Manual of Style, the article should open with Dido's legal name. I used to believe that a person's legal name would remain their birth name until they went through a formal legal process to change it. Recently I have been informed by people who know more than me that this is not true. To quote from a standard work on the subject:

The acquisition of a new name by use and reputation is in truth the only way by which a name is changed, for a man's name is the name by which he is known, an Act of Parliament or Royal licence being permissive only, and a deed poll being merely evidence of intention to be known by another name. ...It is a matter of evidence whether a change by repute has in fact taken place...but if the evidence is adequate the reputed name will become the effective one for legal purposes.

— J.F. Josling, Change of Name (13th Edition)

We can say with certainty that the change of name by repute has taken place. Dido was known by the name "Dido" from childhood by her family and friends, and we can cite a reliable source for this. She stated the name given in full on television, so I do not see how we can use another without a verifiable source that contradicts it. The birth certificate has no bearing on this particular question. Labalius (talk) 21:37, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification, and stellar job on your information gathering, Labalius. So, from her own words, we know that for all intents and purposes, her real, legal name is Dido Florian Cloud de Bounevialle O'Malley Armstrong, as it appears on the article. We also know what her birth name is (Florian Cloud De Bounevialle Armstrong), and the article also includes a comment that indicates she is professionally known as just Dido. It's pretty amazing that you can change your name like that in the UK, by the way.

I think the name stuff on the article is perfect as it is. First the legal name, then what she is known as popularly, and then the birth name under the biography section. I very much doubt we will need protection for this article. At the most we'll need a hidden comment that leads editors who wish to change the name to the talk page, but I don't even think we need that right now.

You already made the changes, right, Labalius? (Or should I call you Bm213? You should really try requesting a name change if you haven't, I kept looking for "Labalius" on the page history to see if you had already made the changes you intended to make to the article!) –QuadrivialMind ^(talk) 00:11, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about the confusion. Yes, Labalius and Bm213 are one and the same. I did apply for a change of username some time ago, but I may have been considered low priority as I had not made many edits at that time. I will try again. If only changing your Wikipedia username was as easy as changing your real name... Labalius aka Bm213 (talk) 11:50, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Attack Flamingo

The band Attack Flamingo are clearly upset that Dido has used the same picture for Safe Trip Home as they have for their album No Star Could Be as Large. They have every right to feel aggrieved but should the Dido article feature antything about this issue? I would say no on the following grounds:

• Notability — there has been little coverage of this story, and what I can find has the same source: this article in a local student newspaper. In the article, it is stated that NASA have no problem with the image being used and that Attack Flamingo are unlikely to take legal action against Dido's record company. This does not imply notability to me.
• Wikipedia is not a soapbox — the entry in the Dido article appears to be used as a vehicle for the grievance felt by the band and their fans. I am sure that it is helping to publicize the issue but that is not what Wikipedia is here for.

I am going to remove the Attack Flamingo content. I suggest that consensus should be built over what of it, if anything, should be included. Labalius (talk) 22:07, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

ambiguous nature of her name?

As a child, she had to deal with the ambiguous and unusual nature of her name, which led to her being bullied...

In what way is Dido an "ambiguous" name? Compact OED: 'ambiguous adjective 1 (of language) having more than one possible meaning.' How many meanings could 'Dido' obviously have? I should think that the vast majority of people would assume that she had been named with Dido, queen of Carthage, in mind. According to Wikipedia Dido may be a Phoenician word meaning 'wanderer', so she could have been named directly from the Phoenician, though it is unlikely that this word would be widely known were it not for the connection with the famous queen. Likewise, she could have been named after Dido Elizabeth Belle (of whom I should not have heard had I not found her on Wikipedia), but this Dido was also clearly named after the queen of Carthage. So, while I do not doubt the possibility that 'Dido' could be polyvalent, I think that if one applies common sense it really has just one possible meaning. I doubt that those who bullied her about her name taunted her with the possibility that she had been named after a nuclear reactor. I should say that her name is actually far less ambiguous than most. For example, the name 'Virginia' could be intended (and does intention matter?) to refer to the Commonwealth of Virginia, to Elizabeth, the Virgin Queen, or to virginity itself (among other possibilities). Unless somebody can suggest why not, I shall change it myself, unless somebody else gets there first.--Oxonian2006 (talk) 21:23, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

• The ambiguity is not over the origin of the name Dido. It refers to the fact that she was named and christened Florian, but called Dido as a child, as explained in this interview which is cited in the main article and from which the quote was taken. The wording of the article might be changed to make this point more clearly. Labalius (talk) 22:56, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Please see my comment below. Thank you. ProsperoX (talk) 11:07, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Aha. I see what you mean. It seems like a strange use of 'ambiguous', since the question is not about the meaning of her name but what her name actually is. In my own work if I say that a word, or indeed a text, is ambiguous I mean that it is open to a number of interpretations. I would not, however, use 'ambiguous' to talk about disputed facts. I remain confused, then, about the reason why her name led to her being bullied: it seems unlikely that those who bullied her would have known which names appeared on her birth certificate or were used in her baptism, and it further seems unlikely that difference between her recorded names and the name by which she was known would be cause for bullying.--Oxonian2006 (talk) 23:48, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Florian is, of course, a male name and so I can see how being a female she would have been the subject of ridicule. ProsperoX (talk) 12:19, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Voice Type

Is she really an alto? To me she sounds like a coloratura mezzosoprano (in between soprano and mezzosoprano- similar to Sinead O Connor.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.218.233.143 (talk) 16:31, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

New Album?

Any, word what it might be called, and is it coming out this year? --WhiteInKnights (talk) 17:13, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

'Lack of Promotion'

It's ludicrous how often lack of promotion is cited here with no reference, for the commercial failure of 'Safe Trip Home'. How exactly does one gauge whether promotion has been adequate or not? There are no set requirements. From what I personally saw, the album had a highly visible advertisement campaign, but such things are subject to conjecture unless somebody can lay their hands on the exact figures spent on promotion of this album as opposed to her previous ones. The only fact that is irrefutable is that statistically this album sold much fewer copies than her previous efforts. --95.96.146.115 (talk) 00:03, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Official birthday

I remember the article in question, but wasn't aware that she was following the example of Paddington. Did she actually day that? OK if she did, but the more obvious example is the Queen. IXIA (talk) 21:18, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

• "…following the example of Paddington Bear…" was printed in the article cited. Presumably Paddington was the preferred role model for young Dido. Labalius (talk) 00:52, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Removal of content

Dugnad (talk · contribs) has removed roughly a third of this article [1], with the edit summary "Removed unsourced material, see WP:LP). Included in the material removed is stuff like "and won several awards; including the MTV Europe Music Award for Best New Act, two NRJ Awards for Best New Act and Best Album, and two BRIT Awards for Best British Female and Best Album" and "In 1998, the music producer for the film Sliding Doors picked her track "Thank You" for the soundtrack. No Angel was first released in 1999, and Dido toured extensively to promote the record." This removal is not in line with WP:LP, and I'm reverting it as such. Finn Rindahl (talk) 18:59, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

I have restored most of the material, but I've put the unsourced biographical information in a hidden comment. The rest of it may be unsourced, but is not in violation of BLP. Please don't restore the information I removed unless it can be cited a reliable source. In the meantime, the reverting has to stop. Now. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:07, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Seems to me that only the snippet in early life really should have been removed, and not a massive 35% of the article (as per WP:NOCITE). Either way, you've restored it, and Dugnad is getting blocked. All is well for now. Nymf _hideliho! 22:43, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Most of the information commented out by HJ Mitchell is covered in this source, I leave to others to evaluate if it is to considered a reliable source - Vinod Advani (3 August 2001). "In tune with Dido". Features. The Hindu. Retrieved 8 October 2008.. Even if the source is considered to be reliable, the part about theft at the age of 5 is possibly contentious and definitely trivial - so I propose to remove that either way.

The stuff that isn't covered by the source above is uncontroversial enough to quote here: "Dido was educated at Thornhill Primary School in Islington, Dallington School, City of London Girls' and Westminster School... ...She later studied law at Birkbeck, University of London, while working as a literary agent. She never completed the degree, deciding instead to take up music full-time. After learning the guitar, she showcased her skills to audiences during her 2004 Life for Rent tour."

Which schools she attended during childhood was added by an ip in March 2006 [2], so if anyone goes out looking for a source to reinsert this it will have to be published before that. Finn Rindahl (talk) 18:29, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

No it wouldn't. As long as the source is reliable, it doesn't matter when it was published. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:21, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

OK, but in judging it's reliability we'd have to make sure they're not using wikipedia as a source... I tried a quick googling for Dido&Thornhill Primary School, and every hit (that I checked) was quoting us, most without giving credit. Finn Rindahl (talk) 22:33, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Unsurprising. I wouldn't be surprised if it was totally unverifiable—I've seen a lot of this when I've rewritten existing articles. All the more reason it should stay out, especially considering it's hardly a crucial point of the article. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:00, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Dugnad has been busy removing stuff and adding {{cn}} or other tags - at a glance most of the tagged material seems easy verifiable. If anyone volunteers to try to salvage tagged content, this article Dido biography might be a good starting point. I suppose "Encyclopedia of World Biography" is considered a reliable source in itself, but it may be better to follow the links to the sources given there. Awards etc could be easily obtained through a google search (or the official pages for the various awards). There may be additional info in the sources already cited in the article as well. Remember to readd categories removed by Dugnad (after readding the content with sources). Finn Rindahl (talk) 15:55, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I sure have been busy; I hate BLPs with content, and I promise not to rest until this article looks as good as this currently semi-protected one. Dugnad (talk) 00:13, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

I trust that comment should be interpreted as sarcasm and not literally. To respond in kind: Thanks for finally engaging in constructive dialogue at this talk page. Happy editing, Finn Rindahl (talk) 17:18, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Regarding Dido's "crime" at age five, see also this archive. Dugnad (talk) 13:49, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Is Dido married? since when?

hello.. this was published in dido's official page.. "Hello everyone, It’s been a month of amazing news for me and now I have some more to share. Me and my husband rohan are expecting a baby" http://www.didomusic.com/gb/news_and_diary/news/a_note_from_dido/

do you have\any other sources for this? who is rohan? since when she's married? etc.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.182.23.165 (talk) 23:08, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

"Monoymously"

So pretentious - and off-putting! Why not just "profesionally" or "who performs as"? IXIA (talk) 20:34, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Guinness world records: Dido's still pregnant according to her website

Feb,2010 current updated to May 31,2011 "Me and my husband rohan are expecting a baby" Is this a joke ? --Karinsa (talk) 11:14, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Somebody as well educated as Dido would hardly say "me and my husband"! IXIA (talk) 18:42, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Chasing the Stars

Was supposed to be her fourth album due for release in Fall 2011/early 2012. Anyone know what happened? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.97.38.88 (talk) 15:44, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

better photo?

Can we get a better photo than the side of her head taken by cellphone from a stadium projection?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 09:34, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

I uploaded four new photos from her new tour in the german wikipedia. If you want, you can export them to commons and use them here too.--JTCEPB (talk) 14:51, 23 May 2019 (UTC)