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Please add the following to the section 4.4.9 Foreign affairs:

In January 2022, Menendez opposed the senator Cruz's project of sanctions against the Russian pipeline Nordstream-2, designed to prevent a full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine.[1][2] Oleksandr Gryniuk (talk) 10:28, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. - This seems unlikely to be an uncontroversial edit. Therefore, please attempt to establish a consensus on this page before using an edit request. PianoDan (talk) 20:36, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

President Biden’s Mexico’s US border problem.

~~Please stop the large number of people coming into our country illegally. Try to convince Biden to stop the flow of all kinds of people coming in. 72.68.79.125 (talk) 18:32, 17 July 2023 (UTC)~~[reply]

Wikipedia talk pages are not a discussion forum. Also, the subject of a biographical article is generally not a participant in their article or talk page, so a comment of this sort on the talk page is unlikely to reach them. — Rich wales (no relation to Jimbo) 18:42, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

More info on Sen Menendez indictment needed.

You're keeping this article locked and not going to put his recent indictment in the opening paragraph? There's also no description of the alleged crime. There should be a section describing the indictment (and past one he got off on because of a mistrial). His wife created a "consulting" firm and sold his influence to foreigners.That's a very interesting form of grift I've heard other senators have done in the past. 67.60.94.55 (talk) 22:46, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

His indictment does not belong in the opening paragraph. It's in the fourth paragraph of the lead, which is appropriate. And the article has sections on both indictments. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:55, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the first suggestion. The first sentence should say something like:

Robert Menendez (/mɛˈnɛndɛz/; born January 1, 1954) is a twice indicted lawmaker, an American lawyer and politician serving as the senior United States senator from New Jersey, a seat he has held since 2006. HelperHelper1 (talk) 13:31, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No it should not. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:37, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It shouldn't because he's a Democrat. 67.60.94.55 (talk) 20:36, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Criminal status should not be listed before even nationality on anyone's page. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:38, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You have set a trap for students who use Wikipedia, since they will write papers and such based on Wikipedia and lose points for not knowing that Menendez's legal problems are a big thing. Dozens of colleagues on both sides of the aisle have asked for him to resign. But people who trust Wikipedia will think only rightwing nut jobs want him gone. They would know more if they used Google. This is why students are not allowed to use Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.180.62.139 (talk) 15:21, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, students are not allowed to use Wikipedia because it's not reliable or trustworthy, and it's not reliable or trustworthy because anyone can edit it. For that matter, even Wikipedia itself doesn't consider Wikipedia a reliable source. TheScotch (talk) 18:35, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, what are you on about? The article literally lists like 40 Democratic politicians who want him gone... ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 11:33, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lengthy Paragrah under 2023 Indictement.

Under 2023 Indictement, a paragrah discussing the list of politicians calling for the Senator's resignation is far too long. I think the only politicians that need to be mentioned by name are; those from New Jersey, and those in the Democratic Congressional Leadership. As for the others, they could just as easily be listed as bullet points underneath the paragraph, which would be a lot easier to read. BlueOcean02 (talk) 23:45, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Under "2023 Indictment" there is a typo in the last sentence of the third paragraph. 2014 -> 2024 69.5.113.112 (talk) 02:38, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Jamedeus (talk) 02:40, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

no longer a democrat

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13489715/bob-menendez-leaves-democratic-party-files-independent.html 50.201.145.131 (talk) 17:56, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Don't trust what the WP:DAILYMAIL says. I see no proof he's left the Democratic Party. He's registering to run as an independent to continue to fundraise for his defense.[3] – Muboshgu (talk) 18:08, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Muboshgu: nope, you're engaging in WP:OR as I've said. Talk about it here and not on my page since it's a content dispute. Therequiembellishere (talk) 22:41, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Politico says Democratic Sen. Bob Menendez, who’s currently on trial on 16 federal corruption counts, filed Monday to run for reelection as an independent, threatening to become a spoiler in a race that Democrats would not normally fret about. It does not say that he left the party. You are the one engaging in OR by comparing this to Joe Lieberman, going beyond what sources are saying. This is a contested BLP issue. Self-revert please. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:43, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just throwing my hat in the ring to say that I also disagree with how Menendez's party affiliation is currently listed. To directly compare with Manchin's defection the other day, he explicitly shared that he filled out the requisite WV paperwork to officially change party affiliation[4], while (by current reports) Menendez simply filed a third party run as an independent in an election in which he was not considered by his main party. Going off Menendez's own word, it looks like he may try to posture himself as an "Independent Democrat." [5] So, since he probably isn't going to win and this just looks like a fundraising campaign, but we can't editorialize to that degree obviously, my vote is to just do "other political affiliations: Independent/Independent Democrat" a la Joe Crowley BluegrassBolshevik (talk) 03:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also agree that Menendez should not be treated as an Independent. He has made no indication that he is leaving the Democratic Party, he is running as an Independent because of his criminal charges not because he has left the party. Esolo5002 (talk) 04:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Esolo5002 or BluegrassBolshevik, since I now count five editors along with who disagree with listing Menendez as an independent with HandsomeFella and OutlawRun over at 118th United States Congress, while only Therequiembellishere wants it in, but they've been offline since we both over-reverted each other rather than engage in discussion, would one of you mind restoring the previous text on his party affiliation from the other day? – Muboshgu (talk) 04:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done, and I think this AP article makes it very clear that Menendez is still a Democrat. [6] Esolo5002 (talk) 04:57, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also was sourcing my reversion on the AP article where Menendez explicitly told reporters that his run as an independent does not mean he was switching parties. OutlawRun (talk) 05:09, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. Therequiembellishere, I don't think it gets more clear than sked on his way into court Monday if he’s changing political parties, Menendez said in Spanish, “no, independent doesn’t mean I’m changing.” – Muboshgu (talk) 15:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Charges Infobox

Not sure how to add the charges but typically we put in charges for crimes like these in info boxes. IEditPolitics (talk) 19:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Update/Revise

The paragraph on Committee assignments is half a decade out of date. Somebody should check his current memberships and update it (at least the date, even if the committees are still the same). Also, the section titled "Tenure" doesn't seem particularly cogent to me. Maybe it needs a "January 6, 2021" subsection or something. --Haruo (talk) 22:24, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Foreign agent" in lede

Recent edits by HolyJabronie have added "foreign agent" to the first sentence. I'm opening this discussion here to ask why exactly this belongs in the first sentence. In my view this is sufficiently covered and per MOS:CRIMINAL this does not need to be in the first sentence. Menendez is primarily notable as a Senator, and the information about his work on behalf of a foreign agent and subsequent conviction are dealt with in the lede in other parts. — ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 22:44, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]