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Terminology around suicide

I am intending to continue the work of other Wikipedians in changing the language around suicide from 'commit suicide' to 'die of suicide'. The phrase 'commit suicide' harkens back to the concept of suicide as a Biblical sin and propagates the stigma around suicide as a deliberate act of harm, when in fact it is an utterly blameless consequence of mental illness. There is no reason to make any exception to this new terminology here, just because the victim happens to be Adolf Hitler. That is irrelevant. My grandfather, for instance, didn't 'commit cancer' - he died of cancer. Hitler didn't 'commit suicide' - he died of suicide. Thecolonpagesaretoocomplicated (talk) 15:22, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RfC on "commit suicide" language in the Manual of Style (2021). Schazjmd (talk) 15:26, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah we don't need to soften the language about Hitler's last act of cowardice. Simonm223 (talk) 15:31, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no rule that states the language needs to be changed and as pointed out, an RfC has stated Wikipedia consensus. And that is what we go by. Not to mention major WP:RS biographers use that terminology when describing the act, still. And yes, he did “commit” an overt act, accordingly. Kierzek (talk) 20:11, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ipse dixit refutations

In the section on the History Channel Documentary Series, one finds this:

"Such conspiracy theories of survival and escape have been widely dismissed."

With a simple foot note, and no citation.

It appears that the phrase is either an editorial comment, not worthy of a historical article at Wikipedia, or cannot substantiate itself by a single citation.

In any case, if specific sources cannot be cited as dismissing the theory presented, it serves little to dismiss an entire documentary series with such a comment. 2601:18F:E80:894B:B5E5:1D38:895D:A8BE (talk) 14:55, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sentence has three citations. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:52, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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'In the 2016 videogame Hearts of Iron IV, it is possible for Hitler to flee to Argentina if he loses in a civil war, he would then become 'Senor Hitler', and be able to create a Fourth Reich.' Orlandoc122 (talk) 11:45, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 20:34, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hitlers Death hoax of 1945

In reality he left Berlin by plane in April of 1945 and flew to Switzerland. He boarded a Swiss diplomatic plane and flew to Spain. He was picked up in Spain by a U-boat and fled to Argentina. He was in Argentina from 1945 to 1962. When Mossad captured Adolf Eichman they moved him back to Spain where he was under the direct protection of Franco. Hitler lived a quiet life in Spain from 1962-1970 when he died. Hitler 1889-1970. 2600:1015:A027:EEB6:356F:6158:3D19:C46B (talk) 05:17, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rubbish. Kierzek (talk) 17:58, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Name

Although it was moved without discussion (but in good faith?), making a tentative case for this name. Some alternative claims do not qualify as a conspiracy theory as defined by WP, although many assuredly do. Beyond the existence of the groom's dental remains, no particular detail is widely agreed upon. UpdateNerd (talk) 08:33, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It should not have been moved without consensus. This is not some run-of-the-mill article and it should have been discussed. Kierzek (talk) 14:48, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That can't be emphasized enough. The name needs be restored asap. Considering the 80th anniversary of WWII's end we need to keep relevant articles easy to find. (Debate the name another year lol.) @Diannaa: Do you have power to send an article back to the evil location from whence it came? UpdateNerd (talk) 08:42, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved it back. A RM should be used here given that the article has long been at the original title and there are a vast number of high quality sources about why pretty much everything disputing the commonly held account of Hitler's death is a fringe view which is usually pushed in bad faith. Nick-D (talk) 09:36, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Request Change to “Conspiracies”, excludes theories as it should discuss other things which do nae meet the common definition of a Conspiracy theory, as many of them do not include supernational or global organisations ToadGuy101 (talk) 10:57, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Will wait until consensus is agreed upon ToadGuy101 (talk) 11:06, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have moved it back to Conspiracy theories about Adolf Hitler's death. It's all fringe theeories, no actual conspiracies, so "Conspiracies about Adolf Hitler's death" is not an appropriate title. Please stop moving this page. You have broken numerous redirects while doing so. Diannaa (talk) 11:07, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I said I would wait until consensus because of the reversion. I am new to editing on Wikipedia and I was in the process of fixing redirects and archives while you reverted it, and still am. ToadGuy101 (talk) 11:13, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think I have everything fixed now. Please don't move any more pages. Diannaa (talk) 11:23, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Indonesia

There is a theory about hitlers death which believes he escaped to Indonesia. There are several sources online, including many possible photographs of someone who was alleged to be hitler ToadGuy101 (talk) 11:07, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What's with the weird page moves

My watchlist this morning is full of what looks like this page getting moved back and forth between alternate titles. What's going on? Simonm223 (talk) 12:51, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

See the “Name” thread above. Kierzek (talk) 14:28, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Looks like I missed a tempest in a teapot. Glad cooler heads prevailed. Simonm223 (talk) 14:32, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]