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Hello Vauxford, |
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you're asking what you're doing wrong ([[:de:Special:Diff/185512242]]). I think the main problem is the language barrier. You just cannot expect the German editors to know English. German is, like English, a Germanic language, which makes learning English for a German or learning German for an Englishman relatively easy, yet, there are many editors who don't know English at all, and, therefore, have significant difficulties understanding it. The way consensus works on DE is a bit different; in general, the rules are different. If you plan on replacing a decent existing image with your own image, you have to keep in mind two "golden, unwritten rules": Your image needs to be an obvious improvement, and you have to explain why your imagine is an improvement. A detailled explanation is often required. I have serious doubts that you can provide such an explanation in German, which will be a significant problem. |
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What you are ''doing wrong'' is replacing images for no good, but obvious reason: You want your images to be in all articles. This is what German Wikipedia editors think of you. You even replace QIs. I think you know that anyways, but keep in mind that the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Automobiles/Conventions|English conventions]] are invalid in the German language Wikipedia. In general, the lads over there try to present the subject in a way that they think fits the subject. This means that a RHD model of a German car is considered awful. Therefore, replacing an existing QI with an image showing a RHD model, breaking the image description, and then posting non-German text on the talk page which doesn't explain why you did this... aua. This is most likely considered disruptive editing. I am exeggerating on purpose to make it easy to understand for you, because this is how you appear to German editors. It's good that you don't mean any harm to Wikipedia, but I presume that there are only very few editors who can actually understand you, especially given the fact that you are using slang (might of) that makes translating using Google Translate impossible. (And I am not judging you, I have problems with spelling words correctly and putting commas in the right places.) |
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On "German AN/I" (WP:VM) only useful comments are permitted and only Adminstrator posts "count". JD (admin) told you that he would ban you if you don't cease your behaviour; what he actually means is that he will block you. Itti (another admin) told you that you are supposed to speak German and that speaking English is impolite. |
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About the [[:de:Diskussion:Volkswagen#Bilderkrieg|Volkwagen discussion]]: This is not going anywhere. Instead of discusing which image is the best, one editor has said that all images are garbage because of the manipulated numberplates. They are all just talking about numberplates now. Having a numberplate that looks "proper" won't help you there and it is not about you or your pics. I can see that you try, but I think that some editors ''don't want'' to talk to you, because you don't speak German. And I cannot blame them, it's German language Wikipedia, after all. There are even editors who are trolling you on purpose. If you continue that way, you will end up getting blocked from editing. My advice is that you don't try to replace any images anymore, unless there is a very good reason. Take a look at this edit for instace: [[:de:Special:Diff/184671205]] – the previous image did not show a Mercedes 124, there was just the Mercedes-star. My imagine is not particularly good, the image is relatively noisy and there are some reflections. But the perspective is good and it is a 1984 model. If you happen to find articles that really need an update, like the mercedes 124 article did, go ahead. But please don't fix "minor" issues. And try to use a German edit summary. I can help you with some basic phrases, this will definitely make other editors dislike you less. If you still happen to struggle, leave it so you don't get blocked. Best regards, and I hope this helps you, --[[User:Johannes Maximilian|Johannes Maximilian]] ([[User talk:Johannes Maximilian|talk]]) 01:32, 9 February 2019 (UTC) |
Revision as of 01:32, 9 February 2019
Incorrect file name
You might want to check the file name of the following image:
The car is NOT a F355 Berlinetta but a F355 GTS. Suggest you correct it. U1Quattro (talk) 13:05, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
- U1Quattro Done. Sports cars and super cars aren't my strongest fields. --Vauxford (talk) 14:31, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
- You should know about your subject of photography in order to avoid any inconvenience in the future.U1Quattro (talk) 14:33, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
- U1Quattro I apologise for making occasional errors, I don't think making these mistakes on the model doesn't mean you have a lack of understandings and can be easily corrected. --Vauxford (talk) 14:36, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
- For starters, you called a Lamborghini Espada a Lamborghini Urraco which shows your lack of understanding. I don't mean to offend or discourage you. I'm just trying to help you to correct major errors so you don't come to be known as erroneous in terms of cars by other users.U1Quattro (talk) 14:40, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
- U1Quattro When it come to regular cars I have little to no problem identifying them. It only sports cars I have to evaluate a bit longer. --Vauxford (talk) 14:43, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
- I totally understand your issue. You can take my assistance in identifying a sports car you have photographed. I'd be happy to help.U1Quattro (talk) 14:45, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you, I will in the future. --Vauxford (talk) 14:45, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
Don't worry, I would rather have a mislabeled photo than no photo. Sadly, there are 6,627 pictures in Category:Unidentified_automobiles, rendering it mostly useless. Mr.choppers | ✎ 22:44, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
Countries
I just want to make clear that Nim (and apparently some other editors) has misunderstood why one would write a country next to a photo of a car - it should describe the original market for the car, and only when relevant in some way. That is, probably not necessary for an Armstrong Siddeley Star or a Holden Commodore or an Isuzu Aska, but definitely useful for a Mazda 1300 or a Honda Fit. Sadly, many editors apply guidelines as if they were automatons, incapable of independent thought. What matters is not so much the policy itself but the aims thereof. I, too, find it unnecessary and absurd to riddle Daihatsu Sonica with "(Japan)", but it is often a very useful tool for the reader. Also, it makes it apparent just what a bizarre proportion of photos are of Australian-market cars, hopefully helping to minimize this skew. Cheers, Mr.choppers | ✎ 22:50, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
- Mr.choppers Which I knew from the start, there are some models which provide useful to have captions to which countries they exlcusively marketed in but even then people can find that info on the Infobox so kind of a grey area and depends of the reader's preference. The problem I encounter is these weird IPs that just mass reverted everything I done and using a quote you said as their edit summary so I'm kind of put off by doing it anyway but on the ones that are taken by OSX or EurovisonNim, it completely unnecessary and I compare it as dogs marking their territory rather then improvement for the article. I briefly done it myself when I was under Nim's tuition before finding out his true intention. --Vauxford (talk) 22:57, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
- Good, I think we all agree to include the countries when it may be useful. I don't think being more mature than Nim will prove very hard; and remember - even if a page is not perfectly to your liking today, time moves on and who knows what it will look like in 2020. Best, Mr.choppers | ✎ 23:03, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
- Mr.choppers I'm not frustrated in the slightest. It just what I see when with the countries in the caption during the time OSX was active. I didn't really catch what you mean with "I don't think being more then Nim will prove very hard". --Vauxford (talk) 23:06, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
- More mature - as in not getting bogged down in arguments, not see-sawing wildly, not marking your territory (no one has a territory in Wikipedia!), not retiring left and right, etc etc. Mr.choppers | ✎ 02:22, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
Incorrect file name
I would like to point out to these two photos:
These photos are of a Chevrolet Corvette Z06, not the ZR-1. Suggest that you put them into the correct category. U1Quattro (talk) 18:53, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
- U1Quattro There aren't even my own photos, I just categorised in a rough category since I uploaded them in bulks. Even then I wasn't the one who put it in the ZR-1 category. If your that concerned, you are free to do it yourself. --Vauxford (talk) 18:57, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Notice that you are now subject to community restrictions
Per this community discussion, you are banned from interacting with EurovisionNim for six months, subject to the usual exceptions. GoldenRing (talk) 12:38, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
'Show'-Cars
Hi, I have seen your edit of the Renault Kadjar. What is your problem with cars on motor shows? I think the images from Paris have a better angle than yours.--Alexander-93 (talk) 15:59, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
Happy happy
Happy Birthday! Mr.choppers | ✎ 04:13, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
- Mr.choppers Thank you very much. --Vauxford (talk) 07:32, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
Hammer car draft
Sorry, I've deleted your draft. If you find sourcing, let me know and I'll help you get it through DRV. Otherwise, we lose attribution of editors who developed the article to the point it was at, which is a breach of our terms. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 10:48, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
A belated Happy Birthday
Hi Vauxford, A belated Happy Birthday :),
I saw your edit the moment you made it but thought it was too early ... and then ofcourse I go and forget when I wake up!,
Anyway Happy Birthday!, Hope you had a great day! :),
Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 17:39, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
- Davey2010 Thank you very much. --Vauxford (talk) 17:45, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
- You're welcome :), Happy editing :), Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 17:50, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
Abarth 124 Spider picture
We have over a dozen photos of the Abarth 124 Spider on Commons. What is wrong with using a different picture to represent it on the Fiat 124 Spider (2016) article? And why do you insist on using just one picture? - Areaseven (talk) 05:22, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
- Areaseven I'm being a bit bias seeing as it my own photo but why change a perfectly fine image. A image used more then once in other articles has been done many times and doesn't seem to be problem to most people. If your that concern about the image being used, create a RfC on it talk page with the proposed photos. --Vauxford (talk) 11:20, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
- Where does it say in Wikipedia that only your photos should be used in the car articles? - Areaseven (talk) 13:00, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
- Areaseven I never said that only my photos should be used in car articles, I'm saying the image is perfectly fine but it better to ask others because if I'm the only saying the photo was fine (doesnt help the fact I took it) then I'm being bias. --Vauxford (talk) 13:07, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
- No, you didn't say that, but you're just implying that you're a better car photographer than everyone else. But whatever. If you insist that you are the ultimate car photographer, then so be it. I won't stop you, then. - Areaseven (talk) 13:24, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
- Areaseven How is that implying? I'm definitely not the best out there especially after what happened a while back, the last thing I want to be know as is "that person". Rather then acting callous and jumping to conclusions, take it to the article talk page! --Vauxford (talk) 13:57, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
Kia Picanto pics
I don't know how you see things in your UK weather, but you fail to admit that your photos are washed out while insisting that the cars should be dirty. Please stop this edit-warring, or we'll have to settle this on ANI. - Areaseven (talk) 22:10, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
- Areaseven Or, to be more civil, discuss on the talkpage. I'm writing a discussion right now. --Vauxford (talk) 22:10, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
- Why do you insist that other users need a committee approval to change images when you don't? - Areaseven (talk) 22:13, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
- Areaseven It a lot more better then head straight to a ANI. Don't want to dig in the rule book that much but people seem to mention WP:BRD alot which I can see why so I'm attempting that before this goes formal. --Vauxford (talk) 22:14, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
- That's exactly what I'm doing right now. - Areaseven (talk) 22:16, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved.
Your question
Hello Vauxford,
you're asking what you're doing wrong (de:Special:Diff/185512242). I think the main problem is the language barrier. You just cannot expect the German editors to know English. German is, like English, a Germanic language, which makes learning English for a German or learning German for an Englishman relatively easy, yet, there are many editors who don't know English at all, and, therefore, have significant difficulties understanding it. The way consensus works on DE is a bit different; in general, the rules are different. If you plan on replacing a decent existing image with your own image, you have to keep in mind two "golden, unwritten rules": Your image needs to be an obvious improvement, and you have to explain why your imagine is an improvement. A detailled explanation is often required. I have serious doubts that you can provide such an explanation in German, which will be a significant problem.
What you are doing wrong is replacing images for no good, but obvious reason: You want your images to be in all articles. This is what German Wikipedia editors think of you. You even replace QIs. I think you know that anyways, but keep in mind that the English conventions are invalid in the German language Wikipedia. In general, the lads over there try to present the subject in a way that they think fits the subject. This means that a RHD model of a German car is considered awful. Therefore, replacing an existing QI with an image showing a RHD model, breaking the image description, and then posting non-German text on the talk page which doesn't explain why you did this... aua. This is most likely considered disruptive editing. I am exeggerating on purpose to make it easy to understand for you, because this is how you appear to German editors. It's good that you don't mean any harm to Wikipedia, but I presume that there are only very few editors who can actually understand you, especially given the fact that you are using slang (might of) that makes translating using Google Translate impossible. (And I am not judging you, I have problems with spelling words correctly and putting commas in the right places.)
On "German AN/I" (WP:VM) only useful comments are permitted and only Adminstrator posts "count". JD (admin) told you that he would ban you if you don't cease your behaviour; what he actually means is that he will block you. Itti (another admin) told you that you are supposed to speak German and that speaking English is impolite.
About the Volkwagen discussion: This is not going anywhere. Instead of discusing which image is the best, one editor has said that all images are garbage because of the manipulated numberplates. They are all just talking about numberplates now. Having a numberplate that looks "proper" won't help you there and it is not about you or your pics. I can see that you try, but I think that some editors don't want to talk to you, because you don't speak German. And I cannot blame them, it's German language Wikipedia, after all. There are even editors who are trolling you on purpose. If you continue that way, you will end up getting blocked from editing. My advice is that you don't try to replace any images anymore, unless there is a very good reason. Take a look at this edit for instace: de:Special:Diff/184671205 – the previous image did not show a Mercedes 124, there was just the Mercedes-star. My imagine is not particularly good, the image is relatively noisy and there are some reflections. But the perspective is good and it is a 1984 model. If you happen to find articles that really need an update, like the mercedes 124 article did, go ahead. But please don't fix "minor" issues. And try to use a German edit summary. I can help you with some basic phrases, this will definitely make other editors dislike you less. If you still happen to struggle, leave it so you don't get blocked. Best regards, and I hope this helps you, --Johannes Maximilian (talk) 01:32, 9 February 2019 (UTC)