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map2 in infobox country

Hi there, Peter. Is there a quick link you could provide to where it was decided that a "regular" (non-location) map shouldn't be in infobox country? I'm curious to see the rationale, because for many countries (except perhaps the large ones) the location maps fail to display a good overview of both the location and the shape of the country (if it's a globe map, the country may be barely visible; if it's a more local map, it might not be immediately obvious where the country is located in the globe – especially when there are islands that need to be displayed in insets on the map, etc.). Thanks, Waldir ^talk 17:03, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Take it up on the talk page of the article. Instead of discussing whether it's acceptable not to have that map in the infobox, instead you should make a case for including that map ... which is generally not the standard The purpose of the info box is not, you see, to include a detailed map of a country (with all its major cities), but to include a quick location of that country in the world. Put your map in the geography section. Peter (talk) 17:22, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Peter. May I ask again, where was it decided that the purpose of the map parameter of the infobox is to locate the country in the world? (I'm not saying it shouldn't be, I agree that it makes sense, but I'm just curious about whether that was decided by the community or just became a standard out of usage.) And if a closer map of the country is not, in you opinion(?), warranted in the infobox, then what would you use the map2 parameter for? Mind you, these questions are not specific to the article, otherwise I would indeed discuss the topic on its talk page. I addressed you directly because you specifically mentioned in the edit summary that that use is incorrect (and you repeat it above), so I would like you to help me locate where the guidelines for that are located, if they exist. Thanks in advance, Waldir ^talk 13:51, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it's become standardised - and its plain sense; the infobox's purpose it to provide a quick overview of a county, if the user wants to see a detailed map they should go to the geography section. I assume the 'map2' parameter is used for smaller countries (e.g. the Faroe Islands) where a world map really would be pointless and, in one instance that comes to mind, the France article where numerous oversea territories make up the Republic as well as metropolitan (European) France. Peter (talk) 13:58, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds reasonable. Still, I don't think a thumbnail of a map could be counted as a detailed map; only if readers opened the actual image page they'd be able to see the detail. In the small size permitted by the infobox, such a map would mostly provide a way to quickly recognize the country given its shape and immediate vicinity, which seems to me as useful for a general overview as knowing its location in the world. If this makes any sense to you, I can take the suggestion to the appropriate venue to see if others agree. What do you think? --Waldir ^talk 22:18, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think if you can get approval there then you can go ahead and add an image. Peter (talk) 22:45, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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portal:Hellenismos

Hellenismos is more than just Greek mythology; it is philosophy, folklore, and practices, etc. Please do not redirect the Hellenismos portal without learning about and discussing this.--Dchmelik (talk) 01:33, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the portal is a mess. The links all direct to disambiguation pages or straight back to a Greek mythology-related article. Other than the article you just pointed me to, there's nothing that really links specificially to Hellenismos. Would you direct me towards the WikiProject? I can't find it.... Peter (talk) 10:18, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That is your opinion and an exaggeration. Of course some of the articles link to Greek mythology articles: that is part of the topic! Which 'Hellenismos?' There is no WikiProject yet.--Dchmelik (talk) 12:03, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I go onto your portal and read the introduction. I want to find out more, so I click the link to "Hellenismos" and - oh - I'm taken to a disambiguation page. Okay... I look further down the page and I can see selected content on Greek mythology and Uranus (Greek mythology). This is an utterly pointless portal and I'll be nominating it for deletion. It's been up since 2009 and yet there's no accompanying WikiProject, which validates its pointlessness. This topic simply doesn't warrant a portal because it isn't a particular topic. Peter (talk) 15:52, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The first sentence states the Greek definition of 'Hellenismos,' which you could have used to decide which disambiguated articles to read (and to see which are just English language terms.) Linking to only one would limit what people could find. You gave a couple examples of the 'all disambiguations and mythology articles,' but I only recall using one other disambiguation page, and you missed the links to all other aspects of the modern philosophy/religion, culture, etc. I do not see what you have against the Greek mythology and Uranus articles, but the portal's articles are random now--I thought you would see more than disambiguations and mythology that way. That there is no related WikiProject--true for many portals--in no way makes the portal pointless, but Wikipedia:WikiProject Neopaganism may be involved. Hellenic Polytheistic Reconstructionism (which I am surprised you did not read, since the portal is religious and that is the only religious link in the disambiguation) says that the name Greeks use for this religion is Hellenismos. Many religions are named in terms of ethnic groups or culture, such as Judaism, Kemetism, Slavianstvo, Celtism, probably Hinduism, probably hundreds, and you might find disambiguations or articles on different aspects for each, but that in no way makes them 'not topics.' Hellenismos is a vast topic: every school of ancient Greek philosophy, and each of the tens of separate historical religions of the Greek gods, any specific Greek cultural focus, and any combinations, are all types of Hellenismos.--Dchmelik (talk) 04:31, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, on any portals that have a 'show new selections' link above the box for selected articles, biographies, etc., you can select it, and it will load new ones.--Dchmelik (talk) 06:45, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you could add or suggest improvements instead of recommending it for deletion. I do not think it would be any more appropriate than deleting the other pagan (non-Abrahamism, so most of them) portals. Unlike the other neopagan ones, Hellenismos happens to have been used as a religion name for longer, so it cannot merely link to an article on the modern religion. However, I have shortened the introduction and am sometimes improving the portal, including deleting some stuff from the text lists.--Dchmelik (talk) 08:20, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On second thoughts, the portal may be useful... my main suggestion would be providing a link at the bottom of relevent articles. At the moment is is orphaned from the main space articles. What picture would you use as a portal icon? Peter (talk) 12:02, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

:) When I linked to Portal:Hellenismos in Portal:Wicca, someone kindly added Zeus (

) as an icon. Symbols that have been discussed by adherents are the star/sun on the Greek parliament flag or a wreath such as

, which I have been using, since it is used often. The only article I linked to the portal in is the modern Hellenismos religion article; I am unsure where else to link. Someone told me 'Hellenismos is not the name used on Wikipedia.' Well, it is used in the article on the modern religion, because it is used by Greek and English adherents, and there is not much of a simpler and less loaded English term besides the equivalent 'Hellenism,' which has too many other meanings, and at least five portals, many articles, have non-English names. If I start adding it to more articles, people might object to the term. Apparently there is even debate in Greece whether the term means religion or culture, but like similar historical terms, if it is used for both, it can be used for either. I am not necessarily against changing the portal name, but I do not think there is a commonly used alternative name. I started using Category:Hellenismos, but I think people deleted all my uses of it. I suppose using a category is different from just adding the portal to the page, which you are suggesting.--Dchmelik (talk) 12:28, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Well, this is why I had/have conerns about the portal, because it's a vague term and it seems to overlap with the Greek mythology portal... but I think it can serve a purpose as long as it sticks to a very narrow, specific topic (which I'm trying to find..). But in order to make the portal live I'll use the Image:Laurel_wreath_fa13.gif‎ as an icon. I've added a few portal links to some articles... bur I agree that a category isn't needed ATM. Some editors are very picky about what topics warrant categories. Peter (talk) 12:33, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

North Korea

I'm sorry if I'm coming across as too brusque. I'm trying to sort out the mess that are the North Korea articles. They seems to be claiming across the board that Kim Jong-un is General Secretary but this is seeming to be more and more unlikely. This is a bit unpleasant to do, as it involves multiple articles and talkpage. Maxim_(talk) 18:06, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I object to him being called the 'Supreme Leader'; this was a particular title given to Kim Jong-il (and defined in the constitution). The closest we have is a reference calling him the "Supreme leader of the armed forced" (which other English sources translate as "supreme commander"). Peter (talk) 23:09, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]