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Welcome to the discussion area of the Military history WikiProject's coordination department! This page is mostly used by the project coordinators, but everyone is welcome to participate! If you have a question, concern, or suggestion for the coordinators, please feel free to leave us a note! |
Handbook
[edit]- Please see the Academy course for coordinators for general information and advice.
Coordinator tasks
[edit]- These tasks should be done as often as needed—ideally, on a daily basis.
- Assessment
- Monitor the daily assessment log. The main things to look for:
- Articles being removed. This is usually legitimate (due to merges or non-military articles getting untagged), but is sometimes due to vandalism or broken template code.
- Articles being moved to "GA-Class" and higher quality. These ratings need to correspond to the article's status in the GA and FA lists or the A-Class project review.
- Deal with any new assessment requests and the backlog of unassessed articles.
- A-Class review
- For each ongoing A-Class review:
- Determine whether the review needs to be closed and archived, per the criteria here.
- If a review has been open for a month without at least three editors commenting, leave a reminder note on the main project talk page, using the following boilerplate:
{{subst:Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators/Toolbox/A-Class review alert|Name of article}} ~~~~
- If an article has been put up for A-Class review in the past and you receive a request for assistance per WP:MHR for a fresh review, follow the procedure below for creating an A-Class review or reappraisal. This will make way for the normal A-Class review initiation process, so advise the nominator to initiate per the instructions.
- Quarterly Reviewing Awards
Quarterly Reviewing Awards - manual process
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Quarterly reviewing awards are posted on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Awards page by the MilHistBot. As with other awards, change the status from "nominated" to "approved" to approve the award.
- Member affairs
- Invite editors to join the project, using the following boilerplate:
{{subst:Wikipedia:MILHIST/MILHIST Invitation|signed=~~~~}} - Welcome anybody who joins the project, using the following boilerplate:
{{subst:Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators/Toolbox/Welcome|~~~~}}
- Miscellaneous
- Vote on any open proposals to award the WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves and approve any A-Class medal or A-Class cross nominations.
- Update the monthly newsletter with new developments within the project.
- Verify entries in the monthly article writing contest, hand out prizes, and update the monthly scoreboard and the newsletter accordingly.
- Fix the {{WPMILHIST}} invocation syntax on any articles in Category:Military history articles needing attention to tagging.
How to...
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Before a task force can be created, it is necessary to decide on a name for it. The process requires both a full name (e.g. "French military history" or "American Civil War") and a one- or two-word or acronym shorthand used for some template parameters (e.g. "French" or "ACW"). The instructions below use the "Fooish military history" task force (shortened to "Fooish") as an example; when creating an actual task force, remember to substitute the correct name, rather than actually creating the example pages.
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Creating a new A-Class review or reappraisal[edit]If an article has been put up for A-Class review in the past and you receive a request for assistance per WP:MHR for a fresh review, a new version has to be created manually. Find the archive page[edit]
Find the last review[edit]
Move the review page[edit]
Update the talk page[edit]
Update the archive[edit]
Create the new review[edit]
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Under the current system used by the Military history Wikiproject, coordinators are tasked with handling certain project-specific operations such as closing A-Class reviews. Because coordinators are held accountable to the project an election is held once a year to determine who among the community's members will serve as a coordinator. While the election itself is a simple approval vote, creating the pages needed for the election can be tricky. Therefore, this Academy page will serve as a walk-through on how to correctly set up the election pages. Before the election[edit]Before any election pages are created, the matter of the coordinator election must be brought up with the current coordinator tranche. Ideally, this should be done sometime between mid-July and early August. The reason that the coordinators must first discuss the matter of the election is to settle on the finer details of the upcoming election. Three key aspects should be decided. The first detail relates to the project's activity level: as the activity level in the project rises or falls, the number of coordinators judged to be needed to effectively run the project increases or decreases. Accordingly, then, the coordinators need to establish how many slots should be opened to the project members. In general, the project currently operates efficiently with roughly 8–11 coordinators, although the exact number settled on for the upcoming tranche must understandably be decided based on the workload and the efficiency of the current coordinator tranche. The coordinators must also decide if the total number should include or exclude the Lead Coordinator, which can cause the total settled on to fluctuate by one. The second factor that needs to be discussed is the election format. Historically, when the system was introduced, the format was 14 days for nominations followed by 14 days of election, which worked well for the community but created an illusion that the process was "slow". As a result of this perception the community approved a change in the process that now sees the election format using a 10-day nomination period followed by a 10-day voting period. This process is marginally faster than the older two week system, which helps speed the process up. While the coordinators have used this option for several years, they also have the option of introducing or implementing a new nomination/voting scheme if one is judged to be needed. Accordingly then, the coordinators will need to settle on which of the three options they feel will work the best for the upcoming election. The final matter that must be discussed is the exact date of the election. Ideally, the entire election should take place in the month of September, but as there are 30 days in September the coordinators will need to officially designate a starting day for the nomination period. Once this day is decided, the format the coordinators have agreed upon can be used to determine when the nomination period will end, and by extension when the voting period will start and end. Collectively, these three points once settled will provide the information needed to establish the election pages. Creating the election pages[edit]Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators/(MONTH) (YEAR)replacing the MONTH and YEAR with the month and year in question. Once you have the correct red link the following information should be added to the page verbatim: {{WPMILHIST Navigation|no-banner=yes}} {{/Tally}}
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== Overview ==
This election is to appoint the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators|project coordinator team]] for one year, from (ADD THE DATE OF THE INCOMING TRANCHE HERE USING DAY MONTH YEAR FORMAT) to (ADD THE ENDING DATE OF THE UPCOMING COORDINATOR TRANCHE HERE, USING DAY MONTH YEAR FORMAT). Coordinators are generally responsible for maintaining all of the procedural and administrative aspects of the project. All of the coordinators, and especially the lead coordinator (or lead coordinators), serve as the designated points-of-contact for procedural issues and focus on specific areas requiring special attention. They are not, however, endowed with any special executive powers.
=== Responsibilities ===
From [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators]]: <blockquote>The primary responsibility of the project coordinators is the maintenance and housekeeping work involved in keeping the project and its internal processes running smoothly; this includes a variety of tasks, such as keeping the announcement and open task lists updated, overseeing the assessment and review processes, managing the proposal and creation of task forces, and so forth. There is fairly little involved that couldn't theoretically be done by any other editor, of course—in only a few places have the coordinators been explicitly written into a process—but, since experience suggests that people tend to assume that someone else is doing whatever needs to be done, it has proven beneficial to formally delegate responsibility for this administrative work to a specified group. <br/><br/> The coordinators also have several additional roles. They serve as the project's designated points of contact, and are explicitly listed as people to whom questions can be directed in a variety of places around the project. In addition, they have (highly informal) roles in leading the drafting of project guidelines, overseeing the implementation of project decisions on issues like category schemes and template use, and helping to resolve disputes and keep discussions from becoming heated and unproductive.</blockquote>
Practical information on coordinating may be found [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators|here]] and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Academy/Being a coordinator|here]].
The current coordinators are:
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! Name
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! Standing for re-election?
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| Add the name of the first current coordinator as shown on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators|coordinator's page]]
| The current position the above named editor holds. By virtue of the currently used system, this slot will always be "Coordinator" with the exception of the editor who holds the position of lead coordinator, whose position box should be filled in as "Lead Coordinator"
| This slot MUST be added to for each coordinator and should be left blank since only the listed coordinator can decide if he or she wants to stand for reelection.
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=== Election process ===
* '''Nomination period''': (Add the day and month the nomination will begin and the UTC time, day, and month the nomination will end here. For example, "8 September to 23:59 UTC 18 September")
* '''Voting period''': (Add the day and month the election phase will begin and the UTC time, day, and month the election period will end here. For example, "19 September to 23:59 UTC 29 September")
* Any member of the project may nominate themselves for a position by adding their statement in the [[#Candidates|"Candidates" section below]] by the start of the election. The following boilerplate can be used:
<pre>
=== Name ===
{{user|Name}}
: Statement goes here...
==== Comments and questions for Name ====
*''What have been the achievements of which you are most proud within the Military history WikiProject?''
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*''What skills/qualities can you contribute as a coordinator?''
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==== Votes in support of Name ====
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* The election will be conducted using simple [[approval voting]]. Any member of the project may support as many of the candidates as they wish. The candidate with the highest number of endorsements will become the lead coordinator (provided he or she is willing to assume the post); this position may be shared in the event that multiple candidates receive the highest number of endorsements. The remaining candidates with twenty or more endorsements will be appointed as coordinators to a maximum of eleven appointments (including the lead coordinator). The number of coordinators ''may'' be increased or reduced if there is a tie or near-tie for the last position.
* Both project members and interested outside parties are encouraged to ask questions of the nominees or make general comments.
== Candidates==
{{/Status}}
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As per long standing consensus both new candidates and returning coordinators are listed alphabetically below, so add your user name accordingly. Thank you for your cooperation.
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Create the status template[edit]The second page that will need be created will be the status template. (A completed example can be found here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators/September 2017/Status). This template uses a set of established parameters to inform editors, readers, and other interested parties when the nominations will open, when the voting will open, and when the elections have concluded. The template itself resides at the top of the Candidates section, and will be present in the page you just created by virtue of the its presence in code copied from the preceding section. To access the template, add/Statusto the current election page so that the election page looks like Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators/(MONTH) (YEAR)/StatusIt should give you a red link, click it and then add the following to the status page: ;{{#switch:{{CURRENTYEAR}}
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|8=<big>The election has not started yet. Please do not edit this page.</big>
|9={{#ifexpr:{{CURRENTDAY}} < 8|<big>The election has not started yet. Please do not edit this page.</big>|{{#ifexpr:{{CURRENTDAY}} < 19|<big>Please <big style="color: red;">DO NOT VOTE</big> yet; the voting phase of the election will open at 00:01 (UTC) on 19 September.<br>If you wish to run, please sign up by 23:59 (UTC) on 18 September.</big>|{{#ifexpr:{{CURRENTDAY}} <= 29|<big>Voting is now open; project members should vote for any candidates they support by 23:59 (UTC) on 29 September.</big><br>(This is a [[approval voting|simple approval vote]]; only "support" votes should be made. All other votes will be discounted.)|<big>Voting is now concluded.</big>}}}}}}
|#default=<big>Voting is now concluded.</big>
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|#default=<big>Voting is now concluded.</big>
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Current time is '''{{CURRENTTIME}}, [[{{CURRENTDAY}} {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}}]] [[{{CURRENTYEAR}}]]''' (UTC)
Once the above has been added take care the you change the year and the days to match the current election year and the days for the nomination and voting periods. Once the information has been updated save the page, this will result in the template on the election page being created and if done correctly should automatically switch messages to notify interested parties when the nomination and election phases open and when the election concludes.
Tally Box[edit]/Tallyto the current coordinator election page so it looks like this: Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators/(MONTH) (YEAR)/Tallytaking care to replace the MONTH and YEAR tabs with the current election month and year. Once you have the red link, add the following to the page verbatim, taking care to not that MONTH and YEAR in the example below will already reflect the current election month and year: {| class="plainlinks sortable" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="2" style="width: 200px; background: whitesmoke; margin-left: 15px; float: right; border: 1px black dotted; "
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After adding the section save the page, this will result in the Tally Box being created and added to the election page proper. With this done all three pages for the coordinator election should be created and no further action should be required on your part. With all three pages now live, the current coordinators and the editors of the Military history Wikiproject will be able to edit the pages to announce their candidacies or their decision not to seek reelection. Notify the project that nominations are open[edit]See Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Academy/Using MassMessage for Project Notification for details on how to send a mass message. The relevant list should be Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Members/Active, as this ensures everyone active within the project is alerted. Suggested heading is: Nomination for WikiProject Military history coordinators is now open! Suggested message form is: Nominations for the upcoming [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history]] coordinator election have opened. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next coordination year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Academy/Becoming a coordinator|here]]. If you are interested in running, please sign up '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators/September 2024|here]]''' by 23:59 UTC on 14 September! Voting will commence on 15 September. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators|current coord team]]. ~~~~ Notify the project that voting is open[edit]Two weeks later. Suggested heading is: Voting for WikiProject Military history coordinators is now open! Suggested message form is: Voting for the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history]] coordinators is now open! A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next coordination year. Voting closes at 23:59 UTC on 29 September. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators|current coord team]]. ~~~~ After the election[edit]Close the voting[edit]{{archivetop|The election is now closed. ~~~~ }}
to the top of the election page and {{archivebottom}}
to the bottom of the page. Notify the winners[edit]For the newly elected coordinators, a suggested form is {| style="border: 2px solid lightsteelblue; background-color: whitesmoke;"
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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The ''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators/September {{subst:CURRENTYEAR}} |Coordinator stars]]'''''
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid lightsteelblue;" | On behalf of the members of WikiProject Military history, in recognition of your election to the position of Coordinator, I take great pleasure in presenting you with the Coordinator's stars, and wish you the best of luck for the coming year! ~~~~
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For the lead coordinator, a suggested form is: {| style="border: 2px solid lightsteelblue; background-color: whitesmoke;"
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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The ''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators/September {{subst:CURRENTYEAR}} |Lead Coordinator stars]]'''''
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid lightsteelblue;" | On behalf of the members of WikiProject Military history, in recognition of your re-election to the position of Lead Coordinator, I take great pleasure in presenting you with the Lead Coordinator's stars, and wish you the best of luck for the coming year! ~~~~
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For a coordinator emeritus, a suggested form is: {| style="border: 2px solid lightsteelblue; background-color: whitesmoke;"
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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The ''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators/September {{subst:CURRENTYEAR}}#Nomination for Coordinator Emeritus (<editor>)|Coordinator Emeritus stars]]'''''
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Update the coordinators list[edit]Edit the lead of Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators to reflect the current list. Update the notification template[edit]Edit Template:@MILHIST to reflect the current list. Update the category[edit]Edit the coordinators' user pages to add Category:WikiProject Military history coordinators and remove it from coordinators who are no longer active. Update the Bugle[edit]Add the election results to The Bugle at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/News/October 2024/Project news |
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Under the current system used by the Military history Wikiproject, coordinators are tasked with handling certain project-specific operations. This Academy page will serve as a walk-through on how to correctly set up the election pages for military historian of the year and newcomer of the year elections. About[edit]These elections are conducted between 1 and 30 December each year. Before the election[edit]Create the election pages[edit]Substitute the following on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history page before 1 December: {{subst:WPMILHIST Nominations for military historian of the year}} ~~~~
{{subst:WPMILHIST Nominations for military history newcomer of the year}} ~~~~
Notify the project[edit]See Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Academy/Using MassMessage for Project Notification for details on how to send a mass message. Suggested form is: Voting is now open for the WikiProject Military History newcomer of the year and military historian of the year awards for {{subst:CURRENTYEAR}}! The the top editors will be awarded the coveted Gold Wiki. Cast your votes [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Nominations for military history newcomer of the year for {{subst:CURRENTYEAR}} are open!|here]] and [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Nominations for military historian of the year for {{subst:CURRENTYEAR}} are open!|here]] respectively. Voting closes at 23:59 on 30 December {{subst:CURRENTYEAR}}. On behalf of the coordinators, wishing you the very best for the festive season and the new year. {{subst:Currentuser}} via ~~~~
After the election[edit]Close the voting[edit]{{archivetop|Voting is now closed. ~~~~ }}
to the top of the election page and {{archivebottom}}
to the bottom of the page. Notify the winners on their talk pages[edit]For the winners of the Military History Newcomer of the Year, a suggested form is: {{tmbox
| image = [[File:Goldenwiki 2.png|60px]]
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| text = '''{{font|text=The Golden Wiki|size=x-large}}''' {{hr}} Congratulations! You have been selected as the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Awards/MHNOTY|Military History Newcomer of the Year]] by a popular vote of your peers in recognition of your contributions to the English Wikipedia's coverage of military history. On behalf of the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators|coordinators]] of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history|WikiProject Military history]], it is my pleasure to present the coveted '''Golden Wiki'''; we hope to see more of you in the years to come. ~~~~
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For runners-up, a suggested form is: {{tmbox
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| text = '''{{font|text=The WikiProject Barnstar|size=x-large}}''' {{hr}} You have been selected as a runner-up for the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Awards/MHNOTY|Military History Newcomer of the Year]] by a popular vote of your peers in recognition of your contributions to the English Wikipedia's coverage of military history. On behalf of the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators|coordinators]] of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history|WikiProject Military history]], please accept this token of gratitude and appreciation on behalf of the project; we hope to see more of you in the years to come. ~~~~
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For winners of the Military Historian of the New Year: {{tmbox
| image = [[File:Goldenwiki 2.png|60px]]
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| text = '''{{font|text=The Golden Wiki|size=x-large}}''' {{hr}} Congratulations! You have been selected as the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Awards/MHOTY|Military Historian of the Year]] by a popular vote of your peers in recognition of your contributions to the English Wikipedia's coverage of military history. On behalf of the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators|coordinators]] of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history|WikiProject Military history]], it is my pleasure to present the coveted '''Golden Wiki'''. ~~~~
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For second place: {{tmbox
| image = [[File:Silverwiki 2.png|60px]]
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| text = '''{{font|text=The Silver Wiki|size=x-large}}''' {{hr}} Congratulations! You have been selected in second place for the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Awards/MHOTY|Military Historian of the Year]] by a popular vote of your peers in recognition of your contributions to the English Wikipedia's coverage of military history. On behalf of the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators|coordinators]] of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history|WikiProject Military history]], it is my pleasure to present the esteemed '''Silver Wiki'''. ~~~~
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For third place: {{tmbox
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| text = '''{{font|text=The Bronze Wiki|size=x-large|color=maroon}}''' {{hr}} Congratulations! You have been selected in third place for the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Awards/MHOTY|Military Historian of the Year]] by a popular vote of your peers in recognition of your contributions to the English Wikipedia's coverage of military history. On behalf of the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators|coordinators]] of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history|WikiProject Military history]], it is my pleasure to present the esteemed '''Bronze Wiki'''. ~~~~
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Update the winners lists[edit]These are located at
Update the Bugle[edit]Add the election results to The Bugle at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/News/January 2025/Project news The suggested form is: The [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history#Nominations_for_military_historian_of_the_year_for_2024_are_open!|Military Historian of the Year]] awards have been distributed, the Golden Wiki going to {{u|gold}} for third year in a row. The Silver Wiki was awarded to {{u|silver}} and the Bronze wiki jointly to {{u|bronze}} and {{u|bronze}}. {{u|runner up}} and {{u|runner up}} were runners-up.
The [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history#Nominations_for_military_historian_of_the_year_for_2024_are_open!|Military History Newcomer of the Year]] awards have also been handed out, with {{u|gold}} receiving the Golden Wiki and {{u|runner-up}} and {{u|runner-up}} the WikiProject Barnstar.
Congratulations to all members of the project on your achievements last year, and best wishes for 2025!
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Open tasks
[edit]Topics for future discussion
[edit]- Collaboration with galleries, libraries, archives, museums, universities, and various other institutions (e.g. Wikipedia:GLAM/NMM)
- Article improvement drives
- Notability guideline for battles
- Naming convention guideline for foreign military ranks
- Using the "Results" field in infoboxes
- How far milhist's scope should include 'military fiction' (possible solution, see scope of Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Military fiction task force)
- Encouraging member participation in the various review processes (peer, GAN, ACR etc)
- Recruiting new members (see User:The ed17/MILHIST, etc.)
- Improving/maintaining popular pages
- Motivating improvement from Stub to B-Class
- Enabling editors to improve articles beyond B-Class (possibly utilising logistics dept, also see WP:FAT for related ideas)
- Helping new members (possibly involving improving/deprecating welcome template; writing Academy course)
- Recruiting copy-editors to help during ACR
- Recruiting editors from external forums/groups/etc.
- Simplifying ACR instructions (old discussion)
Missing academy articles
[edit]- Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Academy/Using different reference formats (partially written/needs expansion)
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Academy/Image restoration (partially written)
- Using supporting materials (possibly not needed/covered by other topics)
- Image quality and accuracy (possibly not needed/covered by other topics)
Open award nominations
[edit]Nominations for awards are made and voted on by coordinators at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history/Awards. An A-Class Medal nomination needs at least two coordinators' votes to succeed, and the Chevrons with Oak Leaves a majority of coordinators' votes. All coordinators are requested to review the following:
ACRs for closure
[edit]All A-Class reviews are eligible for closure 28 days after they were opened, or 5 days if there is a clear consensus for either promotion or non-promotion, by any uninvolved coordinator. The closing coordinator should check the review page carefully to ensure that there are three general supports and supports (or passes) for both the image and the source reviews, and that there are no outstanding points to be addressed. A guide to manually closing A-Class reviews is available, but normally the closing coordinator just needs to change A-Class=current in the {{WPMILHIST}} banner to A-Class=pass or A-Class=fail.
Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Fort Corcoranhas a consensus to delist. Hog Farm Talk 21:44, 1 September 2024 (UTC)- Done. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 21:55, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Sihanouk Trailhas a consensus to delist. Hog Farm Talk 17:12, 2 September 2024 (UTC)- @Hog Farm, Schierbecker, Nick-D, Hawkeye7, and Buidhe: I have changed A-class=current to A-class=fail. The bot had already reassessed this to start. The banner shell shows B. The sequence of changes seems odd. I am not sure how it could have been reassessed without the A-class banner being changed but I suppose it must be possible. I think I have made the right edit to close the reassessment. If you see anything wrong with any of this, please correct it or let me know if I need to do something else. Donner60 (talk) 04:21, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- The only reason the Bot would reassess an article is if the article was in the category of missing checklist items. This occurred on 13 June, so I suspect was triggered by a template change to our template or the banner shell. You have done everything correctly, it is just that the MilHist rating and the banner shell are now out of step. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:01, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Hog Farm, Schierbecker, Nick-D, Hawkeye7, and Buidhe: I have changed A-class=current to A-class=fail. The bot had already reassessed this to start. The banner shell shows B. The sequence of changes seems odd. I am not sure how it could have been reassessed without the A-class banner being changed but I suppose it must be possible. I think I have made the right edit to close the reassessment. If you see anything wrong with any of this, please correct it or let me know if I need to do something else. Donner60 (talk) 04:21, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Boot MonumentRelativity ⚡️ 00:17, 7 September 2024 (UTC)- On the assessment page, I have asked Hawkeye7 whether this has passed the image review since it is not explicity stated in the review. If so, this can be promoted to A class. FWIW, I have seen the monument in person and probably have a picture of it in a drawer somehwere. Thanks for your work on this. Donner60 (talk) 01:31, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Donner60: Thanks for the reply. Visiting the monument myself is on my bucket list :) Relativity ⚡️ 02:43, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Relativity and Matarisvan: Assessed A-class=pass on article talk page. Bot confirmed. 05:43, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Donner60: Thanks for the reply. Visiting the monument myself is on my bucket list :) Relativity ⚡️ 02:43, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- On the assessment page, I have asked Hawkeye7 whether this has passed the image review since it is not explicity stated in the review. If so, this can be promoted to A class. FWIW, I have seen the monument in person and probably have a picture of it in a drawer somehwere. Thanks for your work on this. Donner60 (talk) 01:31, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
MILHIST CCI cases
[edit]The following open CCI cases contain MILHIST articles (some usernames are omitted from the case titles because they are real names):
- Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/20130819
- Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Degen Earthfast
- Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/America789
- Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Buster40004
- Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/$1LENCE D00600D
- Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Kprtqrf06
- Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Mztourist
- Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/20190125
- Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/20210418
- Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Bluecountrymutt
- Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/DaWulf2013
- Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/DeltaSquad833
- Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/20230508
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AutoCheck report for April
[edit]The following articles were rated as B class by automatic assessment:
2024 Israeli strikes on IranAnother child article of the recent conflict. B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)30.5 cm MRK L/35B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)Ambush near the Bay of ManilaTitles like this are always a red flag for notability, but given a B. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)Attack in HooghlyB class. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 04:58, 18 May 2024 (UTC)Bahmani–Vijayanagar War (1443)B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)Battle of DodderiComment: Written by a sockmaster before discovery; administrator declined a speedy deletion request by an interested user. Has a template showing "may require copy editing." Donner60 (talk) 07:30, 1 May 2024 (UTC) Deleted May 12, 2024. Donner60 (talk) 04:02, 13 May 2024 (UTC)Battle of RomicB class. It is connected enough to the preceding civil war under a broad definition of military history. "Battle" may be appropriate due to the number of casualties. Several red links. Donner60 (talk) 23:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)Battle of Te PōrereB class. Donner60 (talk) 05:17, 1 May 2024 (UTC)Battle of VirserumB class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)Carl-Gustaf StåhlC class. Dates of rank section is unreferenced. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)CortainB class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)Crusade of the Infants of AragonB class. The title could be misleading because the venture was led by "Infantes." Excluding a change to "infantes", the alternatives in the footnote don't seem better. I did a little research and found little more on this topic and nothing that gave any formal name. Donner60 (talk) 07:26, 1 May 2024 (UTC)Dení Prieto StockB class for other projects. Left military history project banner and bot B class. IMO a tenuous connection to military history and not notable as a Mexican guerrilla. Radical teenage girls in training to be a Mexican opposition guerrilla in 1973; killed in an attack on the house where she and a few other trainees were stationed. Has become famous as a sort of cult hero. Open to banner removal as far as I am concerned. Donner60 (talk) 03:41, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Destruction of cultural heritage during the Israel–Hamas warAppears to be technically B class. Donner60 (talk) 06:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)Foreign involvement in the Myanmar civil war (2021–present)B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)Hassan Pasha al-IskandaraniOnly two sources, but will give it a B. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)Hector De ClaireB class, but out of scope: mere service in the military, even during a conflict, is insufficient: the service must contribute to the subject's credible claim of significance. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)HMS Renard (1909)B class. Donner60 (talk) 07:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)HMS Solebay (1711)B class. Donner60 (talk) 07:53, 1 May 2024 (UTC)Hwasong-16bB c;lass. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)Ilie PurcaruB class. Dubious about it being in scope. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)J. G. GreigB class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)James Keith FraserC class. Edit summary: reassess as C class, fails b2, looks more like start but technically meets b3-b5, may not even be properly defined as a military history article since it shows only grades held, no operations and only one duty as an embassy attache. Donner60 (talk) 23:19, 5 May 2024 (UTC) Further note: He was a lieutenant general, served at least 36 years. Even the duration is not stated definitely but based on mentioned dates of assignment and promotion. Assuming listing in Burke's peerage prompted the article. Close call at best but leaving the article under project banner due to long service and reaching a high grade. Donner60 (talk) 05:52, 6 May 2024 (UTC)James Redmond (artist)Left as B class. Removed project banner; notability is based on career as artist/painter not for service in WWII as a corporal and death in combat. Donner60 (talk) 05:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC)José Pellicer GandíaB class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:04, 9 May 2024 (UTC)Llapusha-South Drenica FrontB class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)March on Rome (88 BC)B class. Comment: Appears to me that a more descriptive title could be devised about Sulla's (first) coup; apparently lacked comprehensive coverage previously. Donner60 (talk) 07:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)Mikołaj SkrzetuskiB class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)Military history of LiechtensteinB class. Donner60 (talk) 04:18, 13 May 2024 (UTC)Mohamad Tony HarjonoB class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:04, 9 May 2024 (UTC)Murad EbrahimB class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:04, 9 May 2024 (UTC)Naoki HyakutaB class although somewhat short. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)Navy Department LibraryB class. Comment: This is a reworked older article which has a few older dated sentences. Somewhat short but seems to be sufficient and meets technical criteria. Sending note to most recent editor about older sentences and perhaps adding U.S. or United States. Donner60 (talk) 04:23, 13 May 2024 (UTC)Pashtunistan conflictDeleted by an administrator using XFD closure. Donner60 (talk) 05:29, 3 May 2024 (UTC)Pietro BruzziB class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)Roland Crappé's raids on Portuguese coloniesB class. Comment: Title somewhat ambiguous. Just over the line after a few copy edits. Donner60 (talk) 06:06, 19 May 2024 (UTC)Saint-Barthélemy MutinyReassess as C class, mainly due to one-sentence lead. Donner60 (talk) 05:32, 19 May 2024 (UTC)Shahed dronesB class. Donner60 (talk) 03:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Shivaji's invasions of JanjiraB class. Donner60 (talk) 01:49, 31 May 2024 (UTC)Siege of Mount TaborB class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:04, 9 May 2024 (UTC)Siege of Nagyvárad (1660)B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:35, 19 May 2024 (UTC)Siege of PondaB class. Improvements were made by a sockpuppet and disruptive editor now indefinitely banned. A source is online and at least some of the text is verifiable. Donner60 (talk) 06:27, 19 May 2024 (UTC)SMS G133B class. Donner60 (talk) 04:07, 13 May 2024 (UTC)SS Pisa (1896)B class. Donner60 (talk) 06:10, 3 May 2024 (UTC)Stanley CassonB class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:04, 9 May 2024 (UTC)Teddy WynyardB class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:04, 9 May 2024 (UTC)The Holocaust and the NakbaRemoved the project banner, still left as B class. Yet another technically B class article of the same tenor of other recent ones on the broader topic. I see no mention of military operations or actions or any real connection to military history. Donner60 (talk) 06:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC) User:Buidhe has reverted my removal of the project banner. Checking and removing the banner or even downgrading these types of articles is fruitless; debating anyone as to this type of article isn't going to be time well spent either. Donner60 (talk) 06:55, 6 May 2024 (UTC)Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (1 April 2024 – present)B class. Similar to earlier timelines also assessed B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:33, 3 May 2024 (UTC)Willem Leyel's siege of DansborgB class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:35, 19 May 2024 (UTC)Zapad 2013B class. Donner60 (talk) 04:10, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
MilHistBot (talk) 00:10, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
ACR to-do list for May 2024
[edit]Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Battle of Plum Point Bend: Open since December 2023! Has two supports + sources and image reviews. Needs one more review.- Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Henry Biard: Open since January. No supports so far.
Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Battle of Saipan: Open since February. Needs one more review.Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Battle of La Haye-du-Puits:Open since March. No supports so far. Now closed. Donner60 (talk) 01:02, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Battle of Tinian: Open since March. Needs one more review + source and image reviews.Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Henry Macandrew: Open since March. Open since March. One support. Needs one more review + source and image reviews.
Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:22, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Three reassessment nominations (Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Sihanouk Trail, Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/T-26, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Fort Corcoran) could also use further attention. Hog Farm Talk 20:03, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
AutoCheck report for May
[edit]The following articles were rated as B class by automatic assessment:
19th Flak DivisionB class. Seems good enough for B but not much on second deployment; perhaps the unit did not do much other than move around during that deployment. Donner60 (talk) 07:28, 1 June 2024 (UTC)2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses in the NetherlandsRemoved project banner with this summary "removed military history project banner, this has no military history that is not covered in military history articles, this is about protests; similar articles about Netherlands campus protests do not have the military history project banner" This is rated C in banner shell and cites 16 other projects. Donner60 (talk) 05:49, 27 June 2024 (UTC)Alexandru TalexComment: This is a rather long article about a Romanian "Journalist editor translator politician trade unionist." Activist could be included. I don't see a single sentence that connects him to military history. The article doesn't say he even reported about it, but that may be implied, I suppose. I would remove the military history project banner but I will leave it for further comment because I have had such change reverted a time or two. It does appear to be B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:16, 3 June 2024 (UTC)- Seconded, I've removed the template. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 07:04, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Antoine MartinezRemoved military history project banner with this edit summary: "remove military history banner; almost nothing about his military service; notability is not based on military service, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history point 2 under scope, note 3, 3] Military service does not in and of itself place an individual within the scope of the project—particularly in the case of service in modern militaries. To qualify them, an individual's military service must have been somehow noteworthy or have contributed—directly or indirectly—to their notability" Translated from French Wikipedia, language is not neutral, IMO, but that doesn't contribute to edit summary left; remains B class in banner shell and for other projects. Donner60 (talk) 05:33, 27 June 2024 (UTC)- Background of the Rafah offensive Another one-sided, non-neutral anti-Israel hit piece with considerable dubious sourcing. Has a "multiple issues" banner. Donner60 (talk) 05:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC) Probably need to stay with bot assessment on technicalities. A second look to confirm appears to me to be desirable. Donner60 (talk) 02:25, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
Battle in the Liakhvi GorgeB class. Donner60 (talk) 05:25, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Battle of GiedraičiaiB class. Almost all citations are to foreign language sources. Donner60 (talk) 08:21, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Battle of MorbihanB class. Donner60 (talk) 08:36, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Dago-class torpedo boatB class. Donner60 (talk) 03:51, 1 June 2024 (UTC)De itinere navaliB class. First sentence of article: "De itinere navali ('Of the Seaborne Journey') is an anonymous Latin account of the siege and capture of Silves in 1189, one of the expeditions of the Third Crusade." Donner60 (talk) 07:41, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Freedom from Fear: The American People in Depression and War, 1929–1945B class. Donner60 (talk) 08:38, 1 June 2024 (UTC)George W. KirkmanB class. Donner60 (talk) 08:04, 2 June 2024 (UTC)HMS Falcon (1704)Thin article, changed to C class with this edit summary: "reduced to C class, failing b2 as incomplete; BusterD rated as start in 2022, nothing has changed since then except adding a category and correcting 2 typos." Donner60 (talk) 07:15, 1 June 2024 (UTC)HMS Stonehenge (1919)B class. Donner60 (talk) 07:44, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Hvalen incidentLeaving the B class assessment after further consideration of comment about ambiguous sentence, my first comment now removed here. The sentence may be clear enough and there very well might not be any further information. Message was updated; earlier comment here removed. Donner60 (talk) 08:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)INS Keshet (1982)Changed to C class with this edit summary: "changed to C class for military history project failing b2, nothing about the history of the ship, deployments etc.; same rating as sister ship INS Romach, that article is nearly identical." Donner60 (talk) 07:22, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Jean Ébrard, Seigneur de Saint-SulpiceB class. Donner60 (talk) 05:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)Joe IervasiB class. Donner60 (talk) 05:51, 4 June 2024 (UTC)John VillaB class. Donner60 (talk) 05:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)Mary Rose (1623)B class. Thin article. Struck a questioned sentence from lead to preserve B class assessment. Donner60 (talk) 04:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Milldam BarracksB class. Donner60 (talk) 08:08, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Mirabello CastleB class. Donner60 (talk) 08:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)MV Kota Pinang (Reconnaissance ship)B class in form. I am on the fence for this one and am leaving the B assessment. Short article with some interesting history. Characteristics are described only in infobox. I think a downgrade, at least to C, would be justifiable if anyone would prefer to change it. It is rated start in banner shell. Donner60 (talk) 08:53, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Operation Alpha 29B class. I have asked a recent editor who has a user box about knowing Indonesian to clarify one or two sentences if possible. Donner60 (talk) 22:40, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Operation Tidal Wave IIB class. Donner60 (talk) 23:28, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Peñón de Vélez de la Gomera expedition (1563)B class. Donner60 (talk) 23:34, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Raymond de Rouer de Pavie de Beccarie, Baron de FourquevauxB class. Quite long. Donner60 (talk) 05:17, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Robert PooreB class. Donner60 (talk) 08:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Siege of ThaneGirth Summit deleted article by banned or blocked user. Donner60 (talk) 07:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Siege of Tre KronorB class. Donner60 (talk) 00:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)Sir Hervey Bruce, 5th BaronetB class. Donner60 (talk) 07:52, 2 June 2024 (UTC)SMS G134B class. Donner60 (talk) 07:33, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Soviet submarine S-3B class. Main sources are in Russian. Donner60 (talk) 04:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Soviet submarine S-4B class. Main sources are in Russian but a little more reliance on Uboat.net. Donner60Soviet submarine S-55B class. Same comment. Donner60 (talk) 04:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)SS NyassaB class. Donner60 (talk) 04:23, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Sten Sture's war against the TottsB class. Donner60 (talk) 08:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Surindra Nath SharmaB class. Donner60 (talk) 23:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Swedish expedition to LivoniaB class. Donner60 (talk) 06:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)The Blue Angels (film)B class. Donner60 (talk) 08:18, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Zapad 2009Changed to C class with this edit summary: "reduce military history project bot assessment to C class, failing b2 because too much speculation; user who wrote much of the article rated it as start (which might be fair) the day before the bot rated it B class" Donner60 (talk) 07:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
MilHistBot (talk) 00:10, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
ACR to-do list for July 2024
[edit]- Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Henry Biard: Open since January. Has two supports plus image review.
Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Battle of Saipan:Open since February. Has three supports + source and image reviews. Needs closure. Closed, June 30, Bot confirmed about 30 minutes later. Donner60 (talk) 19:27, 2 July 2024 (UTC)Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Battle of La Haye-du-Puits:Open since March. Has two supports + image review. Closed, promoted. Donner60 (talk) 01:03, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Battle of Tinian:Open since March. Has four supports + source and image reviews. Needs closure. Closed, June 30, Bot confirmed about 30 minutes later. Donner60 (talk) 19:27, 2 July 2024 (UTC)Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Henry Macandrew: Closed and passed A July 12, Bot confirmed. Donner60 (talk) 04:11, 12 July 2024 (UTC)Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Boot Monument: Closed and passed A September 13. Donner60 (talk) 05:06, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/HMS Sardonyx (1919): Open since May. Has one support + two reviews + source and image reviews. All reviews completed, has been promoted. Donner60 (talk) 08:04, 3 August 2024 (UTC)Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/CSS General Earl Van Dorn: Open since May. Has one support + image review. All reviews completed, has been promoted. Donner60 (talk) 08:04, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:37, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
AutoCheck report for June
[edit]The following articles were rated as B class by automatic assessment:
1982 Guatemalan coup d'étatMilitary officers participated in coup which overthrew government after 3 hours and apparently no bloodshed. Maybe broadly within scope of project. If so, B class. References are in footnotes, but not separately stated, FWIW. Donner60 (talk) 05:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)1985 Ugandan coup d'étatB class. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)2021 Philippine Air Force C-130 crashB class. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)2024 Varzaqan helicopter crashB class. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)Alan Owen (RAF officer)B class. Donner60 (talk) 02:10, 1 July 2024 (UTC)Aleksandrów Kujawski internment campB class. Donner60 (talk) 05:36, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Apostol PiotrB class. A ship. Translated from Polish Wikipedia. 3 foreign language sources. Donner60 (talk) 05:09, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Attacks on the MV TutorB class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Battle of Bahadur postB1=no. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)Battle of KaliaborB class. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)Bavarian campaign (1646–1647)B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Brian DenaroB class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Buq Buq labor campB class. Asked author to provide page number(s) in response to a template placed by another user at one of two citations at the end of a paragraph. Donner60 (talk) 07:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC)December 1998 tourist kidnappings in YemenB class. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)Decoration Day Ladies of MississippiB class. Cleaned and decorated graves of Confederate soldiers on Decoration Day, now general national holiday of Memorial Day. Appears similar to an article found to be within scope of project. Donner60 (talk) 05:13, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Estelle Venner KeoghB class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:57, 1 July 2024 (UTC)Friedrich-Wilhelm StrakeljahnB class. Donner60 (talk) 04:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC)HMS Harpy (1909)B-class. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 21:38, 1 July 2024 (UTC)Hyperbola-1B class but not sure this is in scope. Second opinion sought. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)- Agree not in scope. Removed. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 01:10, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Israeli war crimes in the Israel–Hamas warB class on a surface level review - 14000 provides quite the time sink! Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)Japanese occupation of West SumatraB class. Donner60 (talk) 05:42, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Jean-Pierre Lévy (resistance leader)B class. Co-founded and at times coordinated the Franc-Tireur French resistance movement in World War II. Businessman before and after the war. Appears to be enough involvement to be within scope of project. Donner60 (talk) 05:50, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Kidal offensiveB class. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)List of displayed General Dynamics F-16 Fighting FalconsRe-assessed as a list Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:40, 2 July 2024 (UTC)Marengo campaignB class. Donner60 (talk) 08:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Michael WettlauferB class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:42, 2 July 2024 (UTC)- Military of the Shang dynasty C class. Do not know if Kneightley (1999) is the same as Keightley (2012) - expert opinion required. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- The Wikipedia article about Keightley and a search for his books on Amazon do not show a book written by him that was published in 1999. The length of time from his PhD dissertation to the 2012 book as cited in a 2014 review article about the 2012 book would not allow for the 1999 book to be an earlier version. If a 1999 book is being cited in the two notes that show the 1999 date and is not a complete error, I suspect that the 1999 book was written by someone with a different name entirely and not a name with just one letter different from Keightley, as well as likely having a different title. (Stranger things have happened than 2 Chinese history experts with such similar Western names but...) Not an expert opinion on such books, so this is FWIW. Donner60 (talk) 07:09, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Siege of Al-QararaStart. Fails B3 due to single-sentence lead. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 01:22, 8 July 2024 (UTC)Siege of Älvsborg (1439)B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Siege of Daulatabad (1633)B class. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 01:22, 8 July 2024 (UTC)Ștefan TitaB class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Transylvanian campaign into Poland (1657)B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Uckermark War (1412–1415)B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)United Kingdom and the Russian invasion of UkraineB class but yet another article on a recent conflict which is loaded with facts but somehow still light on information. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Viriato FernandesB class. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)Wolfgang LarrazábalB class. Former supreme commander of the Venezuelan Navy, President for most of 1958 after military coup, gave up Presidency peacefully after December election. Probably just enough about military service to come within scope of project. Donner60 (talk) 05:22, 5 July 2024 (UTC)YMCA Building (San Diego)B class. Building orignially was an "Army & Navy YMCA", providing accommodations during World War II in particular; eventually came under the separate civilian branch of the organization; appears to be enough to qualify under the project. Donner60 (talk) 05:30, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Zaini AhmadRemoved project banner with this edit summary: removed military history project banner and bot assessment: Zaini notability is not based on any military service or operation; he had no military service, no shown involvement in any military operation; he was a politician whose Brunei People's Party was linked to an Indonesian sponsored militia, he is shown in the infobox of Brunei Revolt as a "leader" but is not mentioned in the article Donner60 (talk) 04:58, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
MilHistBot (talk) 00:10, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
change to 96th Infantry page?
[edit]Moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history Donner60 (talk) 21:17, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Error in strike through; June auto check unfinished
[edit]@WP:MILHIST coordinators: Five days ago I made a mistake in a close strike through symbol in a previous section which resulted in the entire June ACR page showing strike throughs. In fact, not all of the articles have yet been checked. User:Pickersgill-Cunliffe saw the error and corrected it. Sorry for the mistake. Donner60 (talk) 21:23, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
AutoCheck report for July
[edit]The following articles were rated as B class by automatic assessment:
Andrew GillisonB class. Donner60 (talk) 01:14, 1 August 2024 (UTC)Assault on KarlsborgB class. Donner60 (talk) 02:26, 15 August 2024 (UTC)Background to the Israel–Hamas warAnother toxic article. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:37, 25 August 2024 (UTC)Battle of KhannourB class. Donner60 (talk) 08:40, 17 August 2024 (UTC)Battle of La Plata (1957)B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:50, 24 August 2024 (UTC)Battle of MesaimeerB class, changed banner shell to B. Donner60 (talk) 01:52, 24 August 2024 (UTC)Battle of ThorgoB class. Donner60 (talk) 01:16, 1 August 2024 (UTC)Battle of Tinzaouaten (2024)B class. Donner60 (talk) 03:59, 24 August 2024 (UTC)Bertie HoareB class. Donner60 (talk) 01:15, 1 August 2024 (UTC)Capture of TortugaB class after adding See also Tortuga (Haiti) for more on the aftermath. Donner60 (talk) 22:44, 10 August 2024 (UTC)Donald Walker (cricketer)Notable mainly as cricketer. Shot down and killed as a pilot in WWII, little else about military service. Enough for military history? I tend toward not enough but I think it is close enough that another opinion should be given. Donner60 (talk) 01:24, 1 August 2024 (UTC)- I think a military death puts him over the edge towards MILHIST; but others may disagree. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 12:47, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- I will agree to that since I was on the fence and only slightly tending toward not in the scope. Donner60 (talk) 01:56, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think a military death puts him over the edge towards MILHIST; but others may disagree. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 12:47, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Estonian destroyer WambolaB class. Donner60 (talk) 00:56, 3 August 2024 (UTC)First Bishops' WarB class. Donner60 (talk) 03:05, 15 August 2024 (UTC)French ironclad TaureauB class. Donner60 (talk) 02:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)Gordon StockadeB class. Donner60 (talk) 02:33, 15 August 2024 (UTC)Hattusili's Civil WarB class. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 12:47, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Hu Peng-class torpedo boatB class. Donner60 (talk) 08:32, 17 August 2024 (UTC)June 2024 Second Thomas Shoal incidentB class. Donner60 (talk) 01:54, 24 August 2024 (UTC)Malin massacreB class after a few edits. (I think a clearer word than "reaching" at two points would be an improvement.) Donner60 (talk) 04:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)Military Archive, BelgradeB class. Short article, foreign language sources, probably little if anything can be written about this. Donner60 (talk) 08:34, 17 August 2024 (UTC)Organization of Special Combat ActionsB class. Translated from Polish Wikipedia. Donner60 (talk) 03:46, 24 August 2024 (UTC)Otto Adolf Weismann von WeißensteinStart. Fails b4 for grammatical errors, poor writing. Left this edit summary: changed assessment for military history project to start; note the template about translation, grammatical errors; may or may not meet b2 but leaving bot assessment for now. Donner60 (talk) 01:15, 3 August 2024 (UTC)Raid on Chesconessex CreekB class. Donner60 (talk) 04:32, 15 August 2024 (UTC)Siege of GarniStart; B3=no from one sentence lead. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 12:47, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Siege of Perth (1339)B class. Donner60 (talk) 04:16, 24 August 2024 (UTC)SMS S51 (1915)B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:05, 1 August 2024 (UTC)Spillover of the Myanmar civil war (2021–present)B class. This is an appropriate sub-article on a distinct related topic. Main article is 163,478 bytes. I wonder whether there could be a better title? Donner60 (talk) 04:10, 24 August 2024 (UTC)The Hooded ManB class. Reviewed this one at DYK. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:31, 25 August 2024 (UTC)Tott's Russian warsB class after copy edits. Another title that suggests the actions might not be known by this name when written by historians but is difficult to check. Donner60 (talk) 22:51, 17 August 2024 (UTC)William Hewett (British Army officer)B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:32, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
MilHistBot (talk) 00:10, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
@WP:MILHIST coordinators: About 16 hours ago I made another mistake in a close strike through symbol in a previous section which resulted in the entire July ACR page showing strike throughs. In fact, only a few of the articles have been checked. At least the error did go as long as the last one and perhaps had yet to be noticed. Obviously I need to be more careful with these strike throughs and not rush through them apparently without previewing. That's a mistake that I think that I do not often make. Sorry for the further mistake and possibly misleading anyone who looked at that section. Donner60 (talk) 21:23, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Election time
[edit]@WP:MILHIST coordinators: It's that time of the year again! Does anyone believe anything should be changed, or are we happy to go with a copy-paste of the process and spiel from last year? Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 10:46, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Last year I documented the process in the #How to... section above. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 11:10, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Very helpful! What timespan are we looking at this year? I'd be in favour of anything between 10 and 14 days for nominations and voting each, starting on 1 September? Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 11:15, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks PC. My preference would be 10 days for each. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:24, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Pickersgill-Cunliffe, Gog the Mild, and Hawkeye7: (Others have not yet commented so original ping should be sufficient for them.) As I recall, adequate notice was given late last year which was at least part of the reason for continuing with the 14-day periods. As long as timely notice is given, and September 1 is the starting date, I an indifferent as to whether the period is 10 days or 14 days. I think the amount of work to be done for the project suggests that more coordinators are needed. I would favor at least 9 plus the lead coordinator. Based on the small number nominees last year, some recruiting may be needed. Labor Day in the United States is Monday, September 2, early in a notice period starting September 1. That is a holday weekend and some people take late summer vacations the previous week and over that weekend. That could limit the number of Americans who are online during that period, which is another reason that I suggest not starting the process earlier. Donner60 (talk) 05:21, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have created the main page, the tally and the status for the election. I haven't done this before so if someone could double check my dates that would be great. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 19:47, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Pickersgill-Cunliffe, Gog the Mild, and Hawkeye7: (Others have not yet commented so original ping should be sufficient for them.) As I recall, adequate notice was given late last year which was at least part of the reason for continuing with the 14-day periods. As long as timely notice is given, and September 1 is the starting date, I an indifferent as to whether the period is 10 days or 14 days. I think the amount of work to be done for the project suggests that more coordinators are needed. I would favor at least 9 plus the lead coordinator. Based on the small number nominees last year, some recruiting may be needed. Labor Day in the United States is Monday, September 2, early in a notice period starting September 1. That is a holday weekend and some people take late summer vacations the previous week and over that weekend. That could limit the number of Americans who are online during that period, which is another reason that I suggest not starting the process earlier. Donner60 (talk) 05:21, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks PC. My preference would be 10 days for each. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:24, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Very helpful! What timespan are we looking at this year? I'd be in favour of anything between 10 and 14 days for nominations and voting each, starting on 1 September? Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 11:15, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Oh good, I was worried that no one had gotten to this yet. Pleased to see that was not the case. Carry on! TomStar81 (Talk) 18:28, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- If coords want to start pondering whether they are standing for re-election soon..! Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 18:38, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Hawkeye7: With the start imminent, would you be willing to handle the task of the initial announcement/MMS? Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 09:47, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sure. I will send out the MMS tomorrow. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 12:03, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Donner60: @Harrias: Pinging as you two haven't noted whether you're running for re-election or not. No pressure, but just in case it's passed you by. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 00:03, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- I also believe Schierbecker wanted to run for re-election but appears to have lost access to their account. Not sure if there's an update there? Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 00:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Pickersgill-Cunliffe: If we don't get a full complement, I'm happy to stay on, but to be honest, life has got away from me this year, and I've barely had any time for Wikipedia. Hopefully things should calm down again from around Spring 2025, but who knows. Harrias (he/him) • talk 20:10, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Harrias: Hope you're doing well. Don't feel discouraged from putting your name forward now, and there's always co-opting later in the year if you like. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 20:39, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Pickersgill-Cunliffe: If we don't get a full complement, I'm happy to stay on, but to be honest, life has got away from me this year, and I've barely had any time for Wikipedia. Hopefully things should calm down again from around Spring 2025, but who knows. Harrias (he/him) • talk 20:10, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- I also believe Schierbecker wanted to run for re-election but appears to have lost access to their account. Not sure if there's an update there? Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 00:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Hawkeye7: Thoughts on doing another message for the voting period, or is one enough? Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 12:39, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'd personally like to see a mass message for the voting period - these elections seem to be running much more under the radar than they have in the past. Hog Farm Talk 21:43, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- On board with that. A new mass message specifically indicating that voting is open (and what WikiProject it refers to!) would ensure some more interaction. I don't personally think two in a month would creep into the realm of spam. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:47, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Agree. The Bugle will be going out shortly, with a note about the election, but every bit helps. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 21:49, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, I will send out another mass message. I am always a bit nervous about them. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:28, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Send a draft here first if you like...needs to be little more than informing people they can now vote, imo. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 18:32, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- I sent one out before I saw this, but I will add a new pro forma for use next year. Bear with me - I only just got back from Europe. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Send a draft here first if you like...needs to be little more than informing people they can now vote, imo. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 18:32, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'd personally like to see a mass message for the voting period - these elections seem to be running much more under the radar than they have in the past. Hog Farm Talk 21:43, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Donner60: @Harrias: Pinging as you two haven't noted whether you're running for re-election or not. No pressure, but just in case it's passed you by. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 00:03, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Sure. I will send out the MMS tomorrow. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 12:03, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Hawkeye7: With the start imminent, would you be willing to handle the task of the initial announcement/MMS? Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 09:47, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have regained access to my account! I regret I probably won't have as much time to contribute this year as a rank-and-file member. I will keep this page watchlisted. Schierbecker (talk) 23:28, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Glad to have you back! Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:45, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Schierbecker: I echo Hawkeye! Keep in mind that co-opting as a coord is an available option; before you lost your account you had put yourself down for re-election. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 20:24, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Glad to have you back! Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:45, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
AutoCheck report for August
[edit]The following articles were rated as B class by automatic assessment:
1917 Franco-Russian agreementB class. Donner60 (talk) 01:41, 1 September 2024 (UTC)Action at TsariB class. Confirmed the bot assessment on August 27 due to review of contest entry because of template placed in article; later edits appeared to satisfy reason for template. Donner60 (talk) 01:44, 1 September 2024 (UTC)Alan HothamB class. Donner60 (talk) 01:51, 1 September 2024 (UTC)Alexander Johnston (British Army officer)B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:51, 1 September 2024 (UTC)Allied landing craft in World War IIB class. Curiously, the article is translated from the Polish Wikipedia. One of the four references is in Polish. Donner60 (talk) 05:24, 14 September 2024 (UTC)- Al-Tabaeen school attack Another apparently toxic and probably biased anti-Israel article; I did not read very far but I don't want to finish and confirm it. As all the articles on the topic seem to do, it likely appears to meet B class criteria at least superficially because of the proper construction of the text and supposedly reliable sources. Donner60 (talk) 05:05, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
Amelia Peabody TilestonB class. Donner60 (talk) 05:16, 2 September 2024 (UTC)Battle of GopłoB class criteria present. Seven foreign language sources so difficult to check anything, no specific mention in linked articles but some apparently related events mentioned. Donner60 (talk) 04:23, 14 September 2024 (UTC)Battle of Kurukov Lake (1625)B class. Brief article, 4 of 5 sources are foreign language, meets all criteria. Donner60 (talk) 04:10, 14 September 2024 (UTC)Battle of OździutyczeEdit summary: reduce military history project rating to start in line with banner shell, other projects; main editor used questionable sources, was reverted many times for errors and has been indefinitely banned, needs review and editing by a competent editor with reliable sources, neutral POV. Donner60 (talk) 05:13, 14 September 2024 (UTC)Battle of Pont-CharraultB class. Changed C in banner shell to conform. Translated from French Wikipedia. All foreign language sources. Donner60 (talk) 05:02, 14 September 2024 (UTC)Battle of Satara (1798)Edit summary: "reassessed as C class for military history project; in line with rater rating but that did not include criteria; downgrade because one sentence lead is not an accurate summary; some doubt as to whether two references, one a PhD thesis, is enough but leaving reference criteria as is for now." Donner60 (talk) 04:03, 14 September 2024 (UTC) Later note: Editor is under investigation as a sockpuppet, part of a whole group of probably related editors introducing biased and one-sided articles about India and Maratha Empire. Changing assessment to start for inadequate referencing. Possible eventual deletion? Donner60 (talk) 01:58, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Claiborne WalkerB class. Donner60 (talk) 07:17, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Dano-Swedish War (1813–1814)B class. Required numerous minor copy edits to keep the assessment. Donner60 (talk) 06:23, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Egyptian Labour Corps mutiniesB class. Donner60 (talk) 05:38, 14 September 2024 (UTC)Errol NoackB class. Donner60 (talk) 07:21, 8 September 2024 (UTC)French ironclad JemmapesB class. Donner60 (talk) 05:18, 2 September 2024 (UTC)Fuad ShukrB class. Some controversy on talk page but article itself appears now to meet the necessary criteria and appears to be neutral POV. Donner60 (talk) 05:44, 14 September 2024 (UTC)Howard's AdventureB class. A former slave plantation property in Anne Arundel County, MD; purchased in part by the US Naval Academy in 1913 during a typhoid epidemic and run as a dairy farm to supply milk to the academy until 1997. Rather tangential to the military but appears to be within the scope of the project nonetheless. Donner60 (talk) 05:39, 2 September 2024 (UTC)Jemmapes-class ironcladB class. Donner60 (talk) 01:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)Mahmud GawanB class. Donner60 (talk) 04:10, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Raid on Tabankort (2011)B class. Donner60 (talk) 04:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Regulation of Foreign Military Assistance Act, 1998A South African law prohibiting mercenary activity and criminalizing financing, engaging in, or recruiting, training or employing people for mercenary activity, in South Africa or abroad, including unauthorized rendering of foreign military assistance. Donner60 (talk) 05:48, 2 September 2024 (UTC)Siege of Badami (1786)Reassessed as start. Another suspect, possibly biased article about Maratha Emprire by a suspected sockpuppet. Deletion discussion ongoing. Donner60 (talk) 04:15, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Skirmish at the Isle of WightB class. For me, it seems odd to use "skirmish" as a title of an article on a minor naval battle but assume it is not an important point. Donner60 (talk) 05:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC)Submarine Mining ServiceB class. Donner60 (talk) 07:28, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Sviatoslav II of KievB class. Donner60 (talk) 07:17, 9 September 2024 (UTC)The ShowmanB class. A book about Volodymyr Zelensky’s wartime leadership and strategy. Donner60 (talk) 01:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
MilHistBot (talk) 00:10, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Help Joining this Group
[edit]Hello gentleman I am new to this, so please be patient with me. I am hoping to join your group, and the American Military history taskforce. Specifically. I have some ideas about adding to the List of wars involving the United States and creating and contributing to related articles. My interest is in smaller wars that not as many people know about. But I want to discuss my ideas with all the people working on these projects, because I want to be a team player and not just jump in without consulting anyone. I want to be extremely respectful to everyone's time and efforts. Please advice when possible.
And thank you for all your help. (: Historyguy1138 (talk) 17:32, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Reposted on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history for wider coverage. Coordinators will not necessarily know what other experienced users, members of the project and any others interested in the subject may be working on. This page is probably watched only by coordinators and perhaps a few others, including past coordinators. If you do not see an article on the list, you might search to see if one has been written and not added. If you write an article about a topic not on the list, and the article is kept as notable and not covered already, you could add it to the list and see whether anyone watching the list has some comment or believes the action is covered in another article.
- Other than that, without specifics, my thought is that only those directly working on such articles and lists might respond. For a general question, that is likely to be on the project talk page. Also, consider adding your user name to Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/United States military history task force and any relevant period task forces. You could send a query to all of the members of that group. Some are possibly not very active or not being work on the specific questions you have in mind. Putting a message on the user talk pages of the task force members may be the best way to get some responses from users who may be working on the topic. Also, you should add your name to Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Members so that you will receive the monthly newsletter, the Bugle, and other mass mail messages from the project. Donner60 (talk) 21:31, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
USS Texas (BB-35) A-Class reappraisal
[edit]Just like the Texas herself, I believe that it's time to bring this neglected 15 year-old A-class article to dry dock for repairs. There are several issues (article version):
- A1: The citation style is inconsistent. There are refs (including some bare URLs) mixed in with {{sfn}}s. Some claims are cited to irreputable sources, such as YouTube videos (e.g., ref 71) and primary sources (see all 18 references tagged with {{third-party inline}} as of Sept. 2012). There's also a valid {{failed verification}} tag from Nov. 2012 and three valid citation needed tags (oldest Jan. 2023). Additionally, all but one of the nine footnotes (ref group A) lack inline citations.
- A2: The article goes into unnecessary detail in that it relies on primary sources. It also lacks relevant detail in that the 2022 dry docking section hasn't been updated since April 2024. Additionally, given the sourcing issues, the article may not be factually accurate.
- A3: The service history section is well-organized, but the museum section has several sub-sections with three short paragraphs mixed in with much longer sub-sections. Both could also use years in parentheticals in the subheadings.
I will be bringing these concerns to GA reassessment as well. Best, voorts (talk/contributions) 01:23, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- I've nominated this for GAR as well: USS Texas (BB-35) (nom). voorts (talk/contributions) 01:50, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Reposted this on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history for greater coverage. Posts on this page are unlikely to be seen by many, if any, project members who are not current or emeritus coordinators. Donner60 (talk) 01:13, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks @Donner60. Just to note, the instructions on the A-class review page say "If an editor feels that any current A-class article no longer meet the standards and may thus need to be considered for demotion (i.e. it needs a re-appraisal) please leave a message for the project coordinators, who will be happy to help." If these should instead be posted at the main project talk, that guidance should probably be changed. voorts (talk/contributions) 01:52, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- The message does not need to be changed but we do need to sort out what to do about an A-class review request and simultaneous GA request, rather than just a GA review request. Your note referred to bringing the matter up for GA reassessment. These are of more general interest and often receive comments from experienced or interested users and either draw the attention of users who want to work on bringing the article up to standard. An outcome to delist a GA may be made based on consensus and comments that the article needs work and should be delisted if no one comes forward to fix it. My first impression is that there should be sources available so that the article could be brought back to at least a GA assessment. Some of the problems are cleanup problems and don't appear at first glance to require many additional references.
- This is a little out of my subject areas of concentration and I do not have the time right now to spend on working on a reassessment where considerable time may be needed for improvements to this article. Other members of the project who have worked on the Majestic Titan project, not just coordinators, should be able to help with this type of article if they see this and are motivated to help improve the article. The A-class assessment probably should be handled separately, and considered first, although an article that does not meet GA standards almost certainly would not meet A class standards in a separate review. Some of those users being pinged likely can help with that.
- With your second post in mind, I did not understand that you were asking for help on an A-class review but thought a GA was the real problem to be addressed. So that was a mistaken interpretation or too quick a consideration. I checked and saw that in fact that while the overall assessment appears to be GA, the military history project assessment is still shown as A-class. So it appears that both assessments have been brought in issue here. I left your message here so other coordinators might also be more likely to see it. I am now pinging the other coordinators and a few experienced editors or former coordinators who may be interested in this article to let them know that my response did not fully reply to your concern and to see if they have any interest in the reassessments or other comments or can help with setting up an A-class review. I have not set up any A-class reviews. If that needs to be done, someone more familiar with the process and with more experience with A-class reviews should be able to handle this more adequately and quickly than I can if I have start my first one now from scratch. Sorry for any misunderstanding or delay. @WP:MILHIST coordinators: @Hog Farm, Matarisvan, Dank, Ed!, Sturmvogel 66, MisterBee1966, Thewellman, TomStar81, DPdH, and Parsecboy: Donner60 (talk) 06:39, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- This topic is also outside my area of "expertise". I would recommend that the original editor, I believe it was @TomStar81:, has a look at the concerns brought forward. In my view, they have some validity to them, in particular the citation style could be more concise. With respect to sourcing, different editors interpret the guidelines for reliability differently. To some, reliability and notability can only be derived from academic secondary sources, while others tolerate primary sources for some content, like stats. Not sure if this was helpful. Cheers MisterBee1966 (talk) 07:35, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
An article may not be nominated for an A-Class review and be a Featured article candidate, undergoing a Peer Review, or have a Good article nomination at the same time.
It doesn't say anything about GAR but I think this should also apply. Otherwise, we would have two pages on which comments would be posted and answered. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 08:21, 28 September 2024 (UTC)- Given that most GARs aren't well attended, I don't see the harm in proceeding with the A class reassessment. If A class can be retained, then it will certainly meet GA. voorts (talk/contributions) 13:33, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- I would personally prefer to see the GAR closed before the A-Class re-review is opened, for the same reasons as Hawkeye above. Hog Farm Talk 17:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Ibid, best to close the GAR. Avoid confusion and sort the more complicated review first. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 17:51, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- I would personally prefer to see the GAR closed before the A-Class re-review is opened, for the same reasons as Hawkeye above. Hog Farm Talk 17:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Given that most GARs aren't well attended, I don't see the harm in proceeding with the A class reassessment. If A class can be retained, then it will certainly meet GA. voorts (talk/contributions) 13:33, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- This topic is also outside my area of "expertise". I would recommend that the original editor, I believe it was @TomStar81:, has a look at the concerns brought forward. In my view, they have some validity to them, in particular the citation style could be more concise. With respect to sourcing, different editors interpret the guidelines for reliability differently. To some, reliability and notability can only be derived from academic secondary sources, while others tolerate primary sources for some content, like stats. Not sure if this was helpful. Cheers MisterBee1966 (talk) 07:35, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks @Donner60. Just to note, the instructions on the A-class review page say "If an editor feels that any current A-class article no longer meet the standards and may thus need to be considered for demotion (i.e. it needs a re-appraisal) please leave a message for the project coordinators, who will be happy to help." If these should instead be posted at the main project talk, that guidance should probably be changed. voorts (talk/contributions) 01:52, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'll ask the GAR coordinators if it can be placed on hold. voorts (talk/contributions) 17:56, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: There has been a recent change. Formerly, an article could be rated as A-class by some projects and a Good Article by others. Now that we have PIQA, it will be rated A-class by all projects. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:59, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Hawkeye7: Am I right in saying that while the rating is shared, there isn't a centralised review? We still review Milhist A-class articles within the WikiProject? Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 19:07, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: There has been a recent change. Formerly, an article could be rated as A-class by some projects and a Good Article by others. Now that we have PIQA, it will be rated A-class by all projects. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:59, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Reposted this on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history for greater coverage. Posts on this page are unlikely to be seen by many, if any, project members who are not current or emeritus coordinators. Donner60 (talk) 01:13, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, that is correct. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:53, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- I thought that MILHIST opted out of PIQA, so it should be GA for every other project. voorts (talk/contributions) 19:08, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- We did not opt out of PIQA. We are still resolving some issues. A-class is a standard grade under PIQA. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:53, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- The GAR discussion is now on hold. voorts (talk/contributions) 19:12, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Hog Farm & @Pickersgill-Cunliffe: can this proceed to reappraisal now? voorts (talk/contributions) 23:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
It is done. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 09:07, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Hog Farm & @Pickersgill-Cunliffe: can this proceed to reappraisal now? voorts (talk/contributions) 23:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
AutoCheck report for September
[edit]The following articles were rated as B class by automatic assessment:
1943 Greek protests against labour mobilizationB class. About Nazi attempts to conscript Greek laborers and resistance to this against collaborationist government. Donner60 (talk) 00:55, 1 October 2024 (UTC)- 20 September 2024 Beirut attack
47th Infantry Regiment "Ferrara"B class. I confirmed the bot assessment earlier. Donner60 (talk) 00:25, 1 October 2024 (UTC)Alastair Campbell (sportsman)Removed project banner with this edit summary: removed military history project banner; See Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history "Military service does not in and of itself place an individual within the scope of the project—particularly in the case of service in modern militaries. To qualify them, an individual's military service must have been somehow noteworthy or have contributed—directly or indirectly—to their notability." Seems to have mostly played football, not posted overseas during war." Donner60 (talk) 00:44, 1 October 2024 (UTC)- Apti Alaudinov I removed a POV template because no reason was given and no discussion started on the talk page for more than a month. The rationale isn't obvious but might be guessed. The only problem that I see about the form is that the lede is only one sentence. If anyone sees a reason to change the assessment, please go ahead. I am not striking the listing immediately in case these needs further evaluaton. Donner60 (talk) 03:50, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
Archcliffe FortB class. Donner60 (talk) 01:02, 1 October 2024 (UTC)- Battle of Axspoele
- Battle of Bogucin
- Bedir Khan Beg
Brazilian corvette LiberalB class. Only a two sentence lead and one long section of history. Seems to be not enough of a problem to downgrade or ask for more. Any coordinator who thinks otherwise can change this if they wish. Donner60 (talk) 01:08, 1 October 2024 (UTC)Capul ChurchB class. Short article about a fortress church in the Philippines built to protect the town from Moro invasion in the 1600s. Donner60 (talk) 00:58, 1 October 2024 (UTC)- Director General Project Seabird
Emma Unson RotorB class. Filipino-American physicist and mathematician whose pioneering work during World War II significantly contributed to the development of the proximity fuse. Donner60 (talk) 01:00, 1 October 2024 (UTC)- Fourth Scutari-Berat War
HMS Norman (1916)B class. Previously checked for contest entry. Donner60 (talk) 01:10, 1 October 2024 (UTC)HMY Conqueror IIB class. Donner60 (talk) 00:46, 1 October 2024 (UTC)Jean DemozayB class. I confirmed the bot assessment earlier. Donner60 (talk) 00:27, 1 October 2024 (UTC)John A. PritchardC class, owing to a missing section. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:53, 1 October 2024 (UTC)- Jonathan Conricus I left this note on the talk page; not sure how it might affect the assessment class- C? "This article contains relative time references which should be modified. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch#Relative time references "Absolute specifications of time are preferred to relative constructions using recently, currently, now and so on, because the latter may go out of date....When material in an article may become out of date, follow the Wikipedia:As of guideline, which allows information to be written in a less time-dependent way. The "as of" technique is implemented in the As of {{{1}}} template; it additionally tags information that will become dated. As of October 2024 produces the text As of October 2024 and categorises the article appropriately." Donner60 (talk) 02:04, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Justiniano Borgoño
Middlesex Regiment alien labour unitsB class. 01:16, 1 October 2024 (UTC)NMS ArdealB class. Donner60 (talk) 01:54, 1 October 2024 (UTC)NMS BasarabiaB class. Donner60 (talk) 01:58, 1 October 2024 (UTC)NMS BucovinaB class. Donner60 (talk) 02:04, 1 October 2024 (UTC)- Northern Kosovo clashes
- Shah Jahan's Central Asian campaign
SMS V183B class. Donner60 (talk) 00:49, 1 October 2024 (UTC)- Tenentist revolts in Mato Grosso
- Toropets depot explosions
Treaty of TingmosgangChanged assessment to C class due to several citations with missing page numbers. Donner60 (talk) 04:02, 3 October 2024 (UTC)USS Relief (ID-2170)B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:12, 1 October 2024 (UTC)Wales in the World WarsReassessed as start class. Edit summary: "reassessed as start class for military history project and in banner shell; original author topic banned http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1225823800, serious questions have been raised about adequacy of sources and coverage of the topic." If any other coordinator thinks a different assessment (eg. C was in the banner shell) is appropriate, please change. Donner60 (talk) 01:50, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
MilHistBot (talk) 00:10, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Suggestions
[edit]@WP:MILHIST coordinators: Welcome to another year of coordinating! While I'm not looking to start anything immediately I want to raise the idea of some kind of drive or event during this term. Of our five major milestones only one remains; it might be nice to have a drive with the goal of furthering that? Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 20:27, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- I had been thinking along those lines. I am not sure how the 83.5% figure was arrived at. There are 227,416 articles in the project rated FA, A, GA, B, C, Start and Stub (ie excluding 5,708 lists and 90,811 templates, redirects, categories etc.) To get from 83.5 to 100.0 we need to lift the number of B class articles by about 20% ie 4,000 articles. Unlike the other goals, this one is a moving target.
- So how would we go about doing that?
- One reservoir is the 64,240 C class articles. Some of them may already qualify as B-class, due to the MilHistBot being uncertain about the referencing. For example: 1st Dorsetshire Artillery Volunteers. Others (more common), like 1st Gloucestershire Engineer Volunteer Corps only need a couple of extra references. Most though, need a lot of work. Some are completely unreferenced. We could go through selecting articles that only need a bit of work.
- We could also look at the stubs with a view to deleting or merging some. For example, Talk:1st Military District (Australia) contains a 2016 discussion of merging the Australian military districts into one article which was never performed.
- Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:20, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Good ideas. Many years ago the rogue and banned editor Wild Wolf rated articles start and perhaps occasionally C at random without ever looking at them. He did several in a minute so coordinators and administrators warned him more than once before he was banned. He was also using sockpuppets. I stopped asking for reviews at that time although I am quite sure some of my articles then and later were B class. If I could find a little extra time, I think it would take little work for me to bring them up to B from later deterioration. Those are just a small number of the many that could be improved. I would hope that many editors would respond because many of these articles are on obscure topics with hard to find references. I doubt that I, for one, have or can easily find references for them if the problem is citation deficiency. Donner60 (talk) 22:08, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Exactly. Editors would have trouble finding references in subject areas in which they are unfamiliar, but more easily in subject areas within their field of expertise. So the approach I would suggest one of triage, where we work though the C class articles, discarding those requiring a lot of work, and categorising the rest according to topic area, so participating editors could take them on and correct them. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:03, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Good ideas. Many years ago the rogue and banned editor Wild Wolf rated articles start and perhaps occasionally C at random without ever looking at them. He did several in a minute so coordinators and administrators warned him more than once before he was banned. He was also using sockpuppets. I stopped asking for reviews at that time although I am quite sure some of my articles then and later were B class. If I could find a little extra time, I think it would take little work for me to bring them up to B from later deterioration. Those are just a small number of the many that could be improved. I would hope that many editors would respond because many of these articles are on obscure topics with hard to find references. I doubt that I, for one, have or can easily find references for them if the problem is citation deficiency. Donner60 (talk) 22:08, 2 October 2024 (UTC)