Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology

Question of correct naming and spelling in English, translating Polish

Greetings to all! I copy discussion from talk page of --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here}and also from article Heraldic family. I invite You to discuss this matter to reach consensus.

Free equivalents of non-free COA

I'm wondering whether anyone from WP:HERALDRY would mind taking a shot at creating some free quivalents for the following non-free COA: File:Coat of Arms of Norberto do Amaral.png, File:Coat of arms of Harry Goodhew.jpg, File:Coat of arms of Kay Goldsworthy.gif, File:Coat of arms of OM XII Fajutagana.png, File:Coat of arms of OM XIV Porlares.png, File:Coat of Arms of Felipe Pulido(San Diego).jpg, File:Coat of Arms of Jeffrey Marc Monforton(Detroit).jpg and File:Coat of arms of archbishop Thomas Chung An-zu.png. All these were almost certainly uploaded in good faith, but there seem to be issues with them per WP:FREER and WP:NFC#CS that might mean they can't per WP:NFCC given that it's only the emblazon, not the blazon, that is generally considered eligible for copyright protection when it comes to COA; so, freely licensed emblazons of equivalent quality could replace these non-free ones. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:13, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Here's one of them (already added it to Wikidata and the article), File:Coat of arms of Bishop Felipe Pulido (San Diego, California).svg ⇒ Zhing-Za, they/them, 19:21, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for doing that Zhing'za zï Ïnin. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:01, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Need help with St Louis flag, please and thank you?

On left is the flag of the American city of St. Louis. I don't know heraldry at all, but looking it up I came up with

(In heraldic terms this is a white-fimbriated dark blue pall on a red field with a bezant.)

I think that is right, except probably the bezant part. It is not a coin, and it has a fleur-de-lis on it. I'm not sure what to do and request advice? Should I

1. Leave it be, it's OK
2. Add "decorated/emblezoned/whatever with a fleur-de-lis"
3. Delete the phrase "with a bezant" altogether.
4. Delete the entire phrase, as the "with a bezant" is incorrect and has no proper replacement, thus the description is incomplete and this is not acceptable, or delete for other reasons
5. Other?

Thanking you for your consideration, Herostratus (talk) 16:33, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

I would blazon it Gules, a pall fesswise wavy azure fimbriated argent, surmounted at the junction by a bezant charged with a fleur-de-lis azure. Others may do differently. —Tamfang (talk) 03:36, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Ah, very good, I will use that, thank you (I'll write "could be described as..." to account for it being apparantly arguable). Herostratus (talk) 12:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:List of flags containing the color purple#Requested move 14 June 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:List of flags containing the color purple#Requested move 14 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 19:16, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

UK sub-national geographic flags discussion

There is a discussion taking place at WikiProject UK geography about the use of flags in articles about UK sub-national geographic areas (e.g. counties). Anyone is welcome to participate; some knowledge of the UK's administrative structure would be beneficial. Thanks, A.D.Hope (talk) 07:58, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of country subdivision flags in Africa (2nd nomination)

There is an AFD taking place at the above link that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 02:49, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Seal (East Asia)#Requested move 3 July 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Seal (East Asia)#Requested move 3 July 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Remsense诉 08:47, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Looking for freely licensed equivalent emblazon for non-free COA

I'm looking for someone who could create a freely licensed equivalent embazon for the non-free File:Latymer Upper School coat of arms 2020 –.png. Anyone able to do so? -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:09, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

here you go

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⇒ Zhing-Za, they/them, 06:21, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for that Zhing'za zï Ïnin -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:25, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Another non-free emblazon related request

Does anyone want to take a shot at creating a freely licensed equivalent for File:Joy alappat motto.jpeg? -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:53, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

General Statement on Heraldic Copyright Policy

@Justlettersandnumbers has asked if we have an informed consensus on copyright policy with regards to heraldic blazon. This is an issue that is raised perennially so it would be nice to have a clear reference statement on the matter. Robin S. Taylor (talk) 18:36, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I assume you're referring, not to the copyright of the blazon itself (which usually doesn't run to more than 20–30 words, so is acceptable as a quotation under normal copyright rules), but to copyright in artistic renditions of the blazon – in which case I absolutely agree. The guidance I'm currently aware of includes an essay (so useful, but not policy) at WP:Copyright on emblems; and something a bit more definite at Commons:Coats of arms. However, those just aren't well enough known, and as you say this issue comes up repeatedly. I'd suggest we try to get something onto the WP:Image use policy page, comparable to the section on Diagrams and other images, which states "User-made images can also include the recreation of graphs, charts, drawings, and maps directly from available data, as long as the user-created format does not mimic the exact style of the original work": that same principle applies to subtly variant artistic renditions drawn from blazons. We also need to get a clear consensus with regard to vexillology, where there may or may not be a written description of the flag, but where similar principles again apply. GrindtXX (talk) 14:16, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

In this particular instance I (and by extension he) was indeed referring to the blazon itself. Robin S. Taylor (talk) 22:25, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Camilla's arms as queen consort in Scotland

This tweet by Alastair Bruce of Crionaich shows Her Majesty's stallplate and banner as a Lady of the Thistle. Robin S. Taylor (talk) 12:24, 25 August 2024 (UTC)