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Count of DYK Hooks | ||
Section | # of Hooks | # Verified |
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July 5 | 1 | |
July 7 | 2 | |
July 13 | 1 | 1 |
July 15 | 1 | |
July 16 | 1 | 1 |
July 17 | 2 | 2 |
July 18 | 3 | |
July 19 | 3 | 1 |
July 21 | 1 | 1 |
July 22 | 1 | 1 |
July 23 | 2 | 1 |
July 24 | 4 | 2 |
July 25 | 6 | 4 |
July 26 | 6 | 3 |
July 27 | 5 | 4 |
July 28 | 15 | 10 |
July 29 | 6 | 4 |
July 30 | 4 | 1 |
July 31 | 2 | |
August 1 | 5 | 2 |
August 2 | 4 | 3 |
August 3 | 5 | 3 |
August 4 | 4 | 3 |
August 5 | 11 | 3 |
August 6 | 7 | 3 |
August 7 | 4 | 2 |
August 8 | 7 | 4 |
August 9 | 4 | 3 |
August 10 | 10 | 4 |
August 11 | 6 | 3 |
August 12 | 5 | 3 |
August 13 | 4 | 4 |
August 14 | 10 | 7 |
August 15 | 6 | 3 |
August 16 | 8 | 4 |
August 17 | 8 | 3 |
August 18 | 9 | 6 |
August 19 | 10 | 4 |
August 20 | 6 | 3 |
August 21 | 3 | 1 |
August 22 | 7 | 4 |
August 23 | 10 | 2 |
August 24 | 7 | 1 |
August 25 | 15 | 6 |
August 26 | 5 | |
August 27 | 8 | 5 |
August 28 | 11 | |
August 29 | 7 | |
August 30 | 9 | |
August 31 | 5 | |
Total | 286 | 125 |
Last updated 18:19, 31 August 2024 UTC Current time is 18:37, 31 August 2024 UTC [refresh] |
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How to move a nomination subpage to a new name
[edit]- Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.
Nominations
[edit]Older nominations
[edit]Articles created/expanded on July 5
[edit]David B. Gillespie
- ... that David Gillespie was the first person granted a document in the nature of a diploma from the University of North Carolina?
- Source: Battle, Kemp Plummer (1907). History of the University of North Carolina: from its Beginning to the Death of President Swain, 1789–1868 (PDF). Vol. I. Raleigh, North Carolina: Edwards & Broughton Printing Company. p. 77 – via the Wikimedia Foundation.
- ALT1: ... that the first person granted a document in the nature of a diploma from the University of North Carolina was David Gillespie? Source: Battle, Kemp Plummer (1907). History of the University of North Carolina: from its Beginning to the Death of President Swain, 1789–1868 (PDF). Vol. I. Raleigh, North Carolina: Edwards & Broughton Printing Company. p. 77 – via the Wikimedia Foundation.
- ALT2: ... that David Gillespie was the chief surveyor under Andrew Ellicott on the commission to determine the thirty-first parallel? Source: Holmes, Jack D. L. (April 1966). "The Southern Boundary Commission, the Chattahoochee River, and the Florida Seminoles, 1799". The Florida Historical Quarterly. 44 (4): 312–337. JSTOR 30147229.
- Reviewed:
Aneirinn (talk) 08:43, 5 July 2024 (UTC).
- : Article is new enough, and long enough, and predominantly soured with public domain content so no apparent copyright issues. However, I find none of the hooks interesting to a wide audience (an increasingly common issue with DYK). And despite the article title, no reliable sources seem to use the middle initial "B.": where does this come from? And spot checking sources, Battle 1890 does not seem to have a page 170, nor mention David Gillespie anywhere. --Animalparty! (talk) 16:32, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- I originally used the wrong book as the source. The source I was using had combined the two books in one pdf and I had missed that. Also, concerning his middle name, I suppose you are saying that "Death at Red Springs". The Weekly Star. Vol. XXIX. Wilmington, North Carolina: North Carolina Newspapers, Digital North Carolina. June 10, 1898. p. 1. is not a reliable source for this? If so, could you please clarify if that is correct? Aneirinn (talk) 18:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- If that newspaper obit (including its earlier printing on June 5, 1898) is the only source using "B", and no scholar has used it since, then it's most likely a one-off error (typos, misspellings, and incorrect info is common in short obits from the time): note there was a Dr. David B(ryson) Gillespie of Bladen County who died in 1905 mentioned in NC newspapers, and may have caused conflation. Find a Grave uses the middle B, but it's an unreliable user-generated source and the tombstone image does not corroborate it. Since David Gillespie (politician) already exists, David Gillespie (surveyor) or David Gillespie (American politician) may be more appropriate titles in line with predominant form of name. --Animalparty! (talk) 19:40, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Dr. David B. Gillespie (February 24, 1815–January 2, 1905), who attended the Medical College of South Carolina, [Source:Catalogue of the Students Attending Lectures in the Medical College of the State of South Carolina, Session 1837–'38. Charleston: James S. Burges, 85 East-Bay. 1838. p. 6 – via Medical University of South Carolina, Waring Historical Library.] was a son of Major David B. Gillespie. [Source:"Descendants of David Gillespie" (PDF). NCGenWeb.] I think it is likely that the writer of the twice-published obituary wrote 'Major' David B. Gillespie for a reason, and that Dr. David B Gillespie is named after his father, which would have them both with middle names that start with the letter 'B'. This point of contention is not really an issue; however, I find it hard to believe that people would find the initial proposal or ALT1 dull or uninteresting. It is significant and interesting that, according to Kemp P. Battle, David B. Gillespie was the first person granted a document in the form of a diploma from the University of North Carolina, the oldest public university to confer degrees in the United States. This would also make David B. Gillespie the first person in the United States to receive a document in the form of a diploma from a public university. If more alternative hooks are necessary, I'm willing to provide additional options. Aneirinn (talk) 02:05, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- If that newspaper obit (including its earlier printing on June 5, 1898) is the only source using "B", and no scholar has used it since, then it's most likely a one-off error (typos, misspellings, and incorrect info is common in short obits from the time): note there was a Dr. David B(ryson) Gillespie of Bladen County who died in 1905 mentioned in NC newspapers, and may have caused conflation. Find a Grave uses the middle B, but it's an unreliable user-generated source and the tombstone image does not corroborate it. Since David Gillespie (politician) already exists, David Gillespie (surveyor) or David Gillespie (American politician) may be more appropriate titles in line with predominant form of name. --Animalparty! (talk) 19:40, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
ALT3: ... that the first person granted a document in the form of a diploma from the University of North Carolina, the oldest public university to confer degrees in the United States, was David Gillespie?
Sources: Battle, Kemp Plummer (1907). History of the University of North Carolina: from its Beginning to the Death of President Swain, 1789–1868 (PDF). Vol. I. Raleigh, North Carolina: Edwards & Broughton Printing Company. p. 77 – via the Wikimedia Foundation.
Kapur, Geeta N. (2021). To Drink from the Well: The Struggle for Racial Equality at the Nation's Oldest Public University. Durham, North Carolina: Blair/Carolina Wren Press. ISBN 9781949467529 – via Stanford University Libraries.
ALT4: ... that David Gillespie was the first person granted a document in the form of a diploma from the University of North Carolina, the oldest public university to confer degrees in the United States?
Sources: Battle, Kemp Plummer (1907). History of the University of North Carolina: from its Beginning to the Death of President Swain, 1789–1868 (PDF). Vol. I. Raleigh, North Carolina: Edwards & Broughton Printing Company. p. 77 – via the Wikimedia Foundation.
Kapur, Geeta N. (2021). To Drink from the Well: The Struggle for Racial Equality at the Nation's Oldest Public University. Durham, North Carolina: Blair/Carolina Wren Press. ISBN 9781949467529 – via Stanford University Libraries.
- @Aneirinn: What does this need an additional reviewer for that @Animalparty: can't do themself?--Launchballer 18:08, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Greetings Launchballer, thank you for your response to this and my apologies for abandoning my nomination for Red Brown (politician). I had not realized that only prose characters are counted for the 5x expansion requirement. To answer your question, it seems as if the primordial reviewer has abandoned this nomination. I should also note that an additional source for the initial of the subject's middle name has been added to the article. Aneirinn (talk) 23:39, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Whatever source you were using for his middle name, you weren't citing it, so I've taken it out. I am happy to take over this review, except I don't find any of the hooks interesting either (ALTs 3 and 4 are bloated versions of ALTs 0 and 1 and ALT2 is just confusing).--Launchballer 06:00, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- You are currently citing his middle name to Weeks (1887). I don't see where his initial appears in that source.--Launchballer 06:54, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Citations for this in the lead are unnecessary per MOS:LEAD. Two sources cited in the body of the article mention the initial of his middle name. One even has it written in its title. Saying it "fails verification" is a bit outside of the box here, so I have returned it. I changed one word on ALT2, hopefully it is an improvement at the very least. Aneirinn (talk) 07:10, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- His initial isn't in the body anywhere.--Launchballer 07:15, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Citations for this in the lead are unnecessary per MOS:LEAD. Two sources cited in the body of the article mention the initial of his middle name. One even has it written in its title. Saying it "fails verification" is a bit outside of the box here, so I have returned it. I changed one word on ALT2, hopefully it is an improvement at the very least. Aneirinn (talk) 07:10, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- You are currently citing his middle name to Weeks (1887). I don't see where his initial appears in that source.--Launchballer 06:54, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Whatever source you were using for his middle name, you weren't citing it, so I've taken it out. I am happy to take over this review, except I don't find any of the hooks interesting either (ALTs 3 and 4 are bloated versions of ALTs 0 and 1 and ALT2 is just confusing).--Launchballer 06:00, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Greetings Launchballer, thank you for your response to this and my apologies for abandoning my nomination for Red Brown (politician). I had not realized that only prose characters are counted for the 5x expansion requirement. To answer your question, it seems as if the primordial reviewer has abandoned this nomination. I should also note that an additional source for the initial of the subject's middle name has been added to the article. Aneirinn (talk) 23:39, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Aneirinn: What does this need an additional reviewer for that @Animalparty: can't do themself?--Launchballer 18:08, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Why must it be? Aneirinn (talk) 07:39, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- WP:V. The lead is only allowed to be unreferenced if all its content is backed up in the body. As written, it would deserve {{not verified in body}}, which would disqualify it here.--Launchballer 07:50, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- I am entirely at odds with the previous sentence. MOS:NAME says "The most complete name should appear at the beginning of the article to provide maximum information. Inclusion of middle names or initials... can be a useful form of disambiguation if there is more than one person known by that name." Which is the case here. MOS:LEAD supports the status quo. Would you please quote how WP:V supports that? It also mentions, "A source 'directly supports' a given piece of material if the information is present explicitly in the source, so that using this source to support the material is not a violation of WP:NOR. The location of any citation—including whether one is present in the article at all—is unrelated to whether a source directly supports the material." Aneirinn (talk) 23:45, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Aneirinn: Launchballer is correct that the material needs to be either cited in the lead or mentioned and cited in the body. The paragraph of WP:V says only that there might exist a source that directly supports the material, which isn't relevant here. For DYK purpose, the material does need to be verifiable to its source in the article. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 06:55, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you theleekycauldron, I have updated the article. Aneirinn (talk) 19:59, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Aneirinn: Launchballer is correct that the material needs to be either cited in the lead or mentioned and cited in the body. The paragraph of WP:V says only that there might exist a source that directly supports the material, which isn't relevant here. For DYK purpose, the material does need to be verifiable to its source in the article. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 06:55, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- I am entirely at odds with the previous sentence. MOS:NAME says "The most complete name should appear at the beginning of the article to provide maximum information. Inclusion of middle names or initials... can be a useful form of disambiguation if there is more than one person known by that name." Which is the case here. MOS:LEAD supports the status quo. Would you please quote how WP:V supports that? It also mentions, "A source 'directly supports' a given piece of material if the information is present explicitly in the source, so that using this source to support the material is not a violation of WP:NOR. The location of any citation—including whether one is present in the article at all—is unrelated to whether a source directly supports the material." Aneirinn (talk) 23:45, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Aneirinn: There is less than a week to go before September 5th, in which case WP:DYKTIMEOUT may apply, so please address any remaining issues by then. Thank you. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:42, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 7
[edit]Motibai Kapadia
- ... that Motibai Kapadia is credited as the first Indian female physician in Western medicine to have trained alongside men in India?
- ALT1: ... that the Indian female physician Motibai Kapadia was in charge of the Victoria Jubilee Hospital in Ahmedabad for 36 years from 1889? Source: "after returning from Britain, Kapadia was appointed in charge of the Victoria Jubilee Hospital for women, and remained there for 36 years."[3].
- Reviewed: ABC Cinema, Brighton
Whispyhistory (talk) 17:10, 11 July 2024 (UTC).
- @Whispyhistory:, "Scope-Journal.com" seems to be a hijacked journal. 48JCL 20:04, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thankyou... Whispyhistory (talk) 07:52, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Article new enough (July 7), long enough (2300 B), sourced. ALT0 verified in source; can't access the source for ALT1, so assuming good faith. I think ALT0 is more interesting than ALT1. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 21:49, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- I asked for insight on the DYK talk page because of the recent incorrect "first" hooks that have run. SL93 (talk) 21:40, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- The problem with "the first Indian female physician in Western medicine to have trained alongside men in India" is that's an open-ended set. Nowhere do we have an authoritative list of every physician who ever trained in India. I'd be less concerned about something based on "Grant Medical College's first female graduate" because at least there, somebody could enumerate every person who has graduated from that school and look at each one. I assume that's what Kavitha Rao did, or at least she based her statement on somebody who did. RoySmith (talk) 13:02, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Whispyhistory A new hook is needed. SL93 (talk) 00:24, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that in 1884 Motibai Kapadia's father allowed her to study alongside men in India? "father allowed her to study medicine along with other male students" [4]
- Thank you all above. I took Rao's claim out as I found other women graduated from Grant before Kapadia and Rao doesn't state Indian. Kapadia may have been the only Indian female doctor in the whole of Gujarat for many years, but I can't find a reliable source. Other suggestions welcome. Whispyhistory (talk) 09:48, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- A new review is needed for ALT2. There is one week to go until WP:DYKTIMEOUT applies, so a prompt review before September 7th would be very much appreciated. Courtesy ping to Vigilantcosmicpenguin. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:47, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 13
[edit]Articles created/expanded on July 15
[edit]Tukdam
- ... that the Dalai Lama persuaded scientists to study a Buddhist tradition?
- Source: * Lott, Dylan T.; Yeshi, Tenzin; Norchung, N.; Dolma, Sonam; et al. (2021-01-28). "No Detectable Electroencephalographic Activity After Clinical Declaration of Death Among Tibetan Buddhist Meditators in Apparent Tukdam, a Putative Postmortem Meditation State". Frontiers in Psychology. 11. doi:10.3389/fpsyg.2020.599190. ISSN 1664-1078. PMC 7876463. PMID 33584435.
Tukdam Project, developed in conversations between Dr. Richard J. Davidson and His Holiness Tenzin Gyatso, the XIV Dalai Lama ... Dalai Lama regularly speaks of the importance of scientific research on tukdam in his public talks to the Tibetan community
- Reviewed:
- Comment: This looks like my last free QpQ ticket
Викидим (talk) 01:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC).
i'm sorry to say you've wasted your ticket.
General eligibility:
- New enough:
- Long enough:
- Other problems: - "other studies" empty section tag
Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- Neutral: - article often promotes the idea of tukdam. the "reports of attainment" section is especially egregious. you can't verify after-death consciousness, but the article lists 8 people who have attained tukdam, including someone who died in 1865.
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
- Other problems: - the article presents the topic as if it wasn't a fringe topic. also, the "cultural and religious significance", "scientific research", and "documentary film" sections read like an large language model wrote it. also, why is there an entire section on a documentary film?
Hook eligibility:
- Cited: - the quote you provided doesn't support the hook. in addition, it says that
This Tukdam Project, developed in conversations between Dr. Richard J. Davidson and His Holiness Tenzin Gyatso, the XIV Dalai Lama, is a collaborative long-term empirical research effort of the Center for Healthy Minds in partnership with Men-Tsee-Khang (Sowa-Rigpa, Dharamsala, India), Delek Hospital (Dharamsala, India), and the Office of His Holiness the Dalai Lama.
he didn't just "persuade" them. - Interesting:
QPQ: None required. |
Overall: this isn't exactly relevant, but frontiers media is noted in User:JzG/Predatory for promoting fringe theories. ltbdl☃ (talk) 15:15, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Replacing a rejection notice with a maybe notice. The nomination is still eligible and should not be immediately rejected. Flibirigit (talk) 15:59, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- it really isn't. ltbdl☃ (talk) 16:04, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: WP:RS characterize this as a religious concept within Tibetan Buddhist. The original version of the article included a lot of content about scientists proving life after death, which has since been removed. There are still some lines that are taking life after death as a settled thing like, "
The practice of tukdam involves the practitioner's consciousness remaining in a meditative state known as the "Clear Light Stage" after death
" The National Geographic source cited does not present it as settled, "“If I had just casually walked into the room, I would have thought he was sitting in deep meditation,” Davidson says, his voice on the phone still a little awestruck. “His skin looked totally fresh and viable, no decomposition whatsoever.” The sense of the dead man’s presence, even at close range, helped inspire Davidson to study thukdam scientifically. He has assembled some basic medical equipment, such as EEGs and stethoscopes, at two field stations in India and has trained an on-site team of 12 Tibetan physicians to test these monks—preferably beginning while they’re still alive—to see whether any brain activity continues after their death.
"[5] Good luck, Rjjiii (talk) 23:31, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: WP:RS characterize this as a religious concept within Tibetan Buddhist. The original version of the article included a lot of content about scientists proving life after death, which has since been removed. There are still some lines that are taking life after death as a settled thing like, "
- it really isn't. ltbdl☃ (talk) 16:04, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
while i wasn't looking, a huge chunk of the article was removed. this also means the hook is no longer mentioned in the article. any alts?
also, the "cultural and religious significance" is still written horribly, and there's a citation needed tag. ltbdl☃ (talk) 07:45, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- I yeeted a chunk of this article to assuage concerns by @Chipmunkdavis: at WT:DYK. @Викидим and Skyerise:, please address the above.--Launchballer 07:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'd restored the material removed without good reason. Use tags and the talk page of the article to discuss article content, please. It's totally bad form to remove 9,000 bytes of cited material without discussion on the article talk page. I didn't nominate this and I am not following the discussion here. Skyerise (talk) 09:40, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 16
[edit]Articles created/expanded on July 18
[edit]Masada myth
- ... that although Israel honored 27 ancient Masada skeletons with a state funeral in 1969, the story of "freedom fighters' patriotic last stand" is now known to be a myth?
- Source: Ben-Yehuda, Nachman (1996). Masada Myth: Collective Memory and Mythmaking in Israel. University of Wisconsin Press. ISBN 978-0-299-14833-1, p. xxi: "The bones of twenty-seven humans found on Masada are brought to burial in an official state ceremony."; pages 241-243: "The affair began in October 1963… Immediately, there were newspaper reports to the effect that the remains were probably of the fighters of Masada, and a state burial ceremony was called for. This issue was raised in March 1967, once again, by the same Shlomo Lorentz of the ultra-Orthodox party Agudat Israel. In a blazing speech in the Knesset he demanded that the remains of the skeletons found on Masada should be given a Jewish burial. Mr. Aharon Yadlin, then the minister of culture and education, pointed out that the Jewish identity of the skeletons had not been established and suggested passing the whole issue on to one of the Knesset’s committees. His suggestion was accepted. In fact, the Knesset’s Committee on Culture and Education held a discussion with Yadin on this particular issue in February and March of 1968… On March 12, 1969, Yigael Yadin told Haaretz that he was opposed to a public burial ceremony. He stated that the evidence of the identity of the skeletons was not conclusive enough. He also stated that he believed that the bones were those of the people of Masada but that he lacked definitive proof. In response to this, the spokesman for the Ministry of Religious Affairs stated the next day, also in Haaretz, that “the heroes of Masada came there from Jerusalem and fought the war of the holy city; therefore, it is only natural that their bones would find their final resting place on the Mount of Olives, which was a Jewish cemetery during the days of the Second Temple…. on July 7, 1969, the skeletons that had been uncovered by Yadin’s excavations about five years earlier were brought to burial in a full and formal military ceremony near Masada, at a place called “the hill of the defenders… An impressive array of dignitaries (including Menachem Begin, Yigael Yadin, and Rabbi Shlomo Goren) were present at the burial ceremonies."
Onceinawhile (talk) 05:24, 18 July 2024 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing: - Not sufficiently
- Neutral: - This hook states as fact that which the sources do not state as fact
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Hook eligibility:
- Cited: - the cite fails to support the hook
- Interesting:
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px. |
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Overall: 2603:7000:2101:AA00:A91E:FA5D:EAB2:D6B0 (talk) 09:26, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think this is that bad to deserve a cross, but you'll definitely want to add a cite to the first paragraph of Yadin's executions at minimum, and that's before interrogating any of the sources.--Launchballer 14:45, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks @Launchballer: I have added a cross-ref (it had been referenced at the end of the paragraph, but the paragraph was then split in to two). Re the IP's comments, the citation quote gives all the info about the funeral, and the rest of his book is about the myth. I guess the IP is referring to the latter question. I can bring some more quotes if helpful.
- For context, all the sources in the article say essentially the same thing – there is only one known original source for this event, Josephus. The Israeli national myth version differs from that story in a number of significant ways. We can add some nuance to the words "is now known to be a myth" if that is helpful, but the underlying point is beyond doubt.
- Onceinawhile (talk) 16:28, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's not a question of "nuance." There is no consensus - as incorrectly and blatantly stated - in RS refs that it "is now known to be a myth." That's simply fake news. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:A91E:FA5D:EAB2:D6B0 (talk) 21:10, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- The wording that it "is now known to be a myth" is simply not supported by the source provided. Perhaps "believed by some to be a myth" or even better "described by one scholar as a myth" could be supported by the citation, but "is now known to be a myth" embellishes the source far beyond any justifiable limit. Alansohn (talk) 01:43, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- What is the “it” you are referring to? Onceinawhile (talk) 06:36, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Alansohn: regarding your comment from a few weeks ago, a new section (Masada_myth#Decline) has now been added to the article as suggested by User:Uppagus. It includes a list of the notable scholars which published on this topic between 1975 and Nachman Ben-Yehuda's book in 1996, as given by Ben-Yehuda.
- I have read widely on this topic, including the most recent work by Jodi Magness, and can firmly confirm that there is no scholarly debate as to whether this specific narrative is a myth. Not a single dissenting voice. Onceinawhile (talk) 21:18, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- What is the “it” you are referring to? Onceinawhile (talk) 06:36, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Once -- the statement is simply not supported by any of the refs. It's really that simple. Actually, this brings the entire article into question now that I consider it. Plus, it doesn't seem to warrant a standalone article at all. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:6043:6D87:AEA7:B5C8 (talk) 06:26, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Belatedly noting that the article is at a (particularly bad-tempered) AfD, and this should go on hold until this is kept.--Launchballer 12:06, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Closed as no consensus. This does still sport a {{neutrality}} tag @Onceinawhile:, and I suggest this is actioned.--Launchballer 11:16, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks Launchballer. The tag was added without explanation, and the editor who added it was asked to share their concerns on the talk page 10 days ago. I have pinged them again at Talk:Masada_myth#Ensuring_balance, so hopefully we should have clarity soon. Onceinawhile (talk) 17:39, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: it looks like there was no objection to removing the tag, as the pinged editors declined to comment. My sense is that enough people have now read the article and sources, and have come to understand the topic and its context. Onceinawhile (talk) 22:53, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- There are POV issues with the article as it currently stands. I wrote a detailed, and yet partial explanation on the article's talk page.
- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uppagus (talk • contribs) 07:17, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks Uppagus. I have responded on the talk page with proposed solutions. Onceinawhile (talk) 08:27, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- What is the status of this nomination @Onceinawhile:?--Launchballer 07:27, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Launchballer: it would be great to have a new reviewer look at this now. There was an initial aversion to the article by some editors - hence the AfD and subsequent talk page discussions. But these challenges have petered out as concerned editors found the time to read the underlying sourcing in detail, and it seems now to be clear to all that this is a well-covered subject with many decades of academic work underpinning it. The article has benefited from the additional scrutiny, which has made it even stronger. There is more work to do to continue to improve the article, but nothing that should impede us proceeding with the DYK review. Onceinawhile (talk) 16:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- What is the status of this nomination @Onceinawhile:?--Launchballer 07:27, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks Uppagus. I have responded on the talk page with proposed solutions. Onceinawhile (talk) 08:27, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: it looks like there was no objection to removing the tag, as the pinged editors declined to comment. My sense is that enough people have now read the article and sources, and have come to understand the topic and its context. Onceinawhile (talk) 22:53, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks Launchballer. The tag was added without explanation, and the editor who added it was asked to share their concerns on the talk page 10 days ago. I have pinged them again at Talk:Masada_myth#Ensuring_balance, so hopefully we should have clarity soon. Onceinawhile (talk) 17:39, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Closed as no consensus. This does still sport a {{neutrality}} tag @Onceinawhile:, and I suggest this is actioned.--Launchballer 11:16, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Belatedly noting that the article is at a (particularly bad-tempered) AfD, and this should go on hold until this is kept.--Launchballer 12:06, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Once -- the statement is simply not supported by any of the refs. It's really that simple. Actually, this brings the entire article into question now that I consider it. Plus, it doesn't seem to warrant a standalone article at all. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:6043:6D87:AEA7:B5C8 (talk) 06:26, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- You have my sympathy, I had similar snorts when I brought Matty Healy here. (They even nixed my P05 article.) I'm looking at this now for the first time; it's certainly strongly worded but all its claims are backed up, so this should be fine. However, you do need an end-of-sentence citation for the hook.--Launchballer 10:32, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Onceinawhile: Should probably ping.--Launchballer 12:52, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you @Launchballer: I enjoyed reading those articles you linked to. I am genuinely amazed that an article that has had almost 5 million views since you recreated it last year had all those delete votes.
- I have done some more work to the article,[6] including adding a further source which works neatly as an end-of-sentence citation for the hook (Sheldon 1998, p. 448: "The belief system he refers to is a myth created around the story of Masada and the Jewish fighters who committed suicide there at the end of the Great Jewish War against Rome in A.D. 73. The story, as Josephus tells it, is not one of heroism. The sicarii on Masada were simply an extremist group of terrorists who had never participated in the Jewish Revolt to begin with and had spent more time killing other Jews than fighting the Romans. Modern twentieth-century Zionists, however, took the original story, eliminated the more embarrassing parts (like the massacre of Jews at Ein Gedi by the sicarii), then used the remaining core to construct a "mythical narrative" of heroism, sacrifice, and national pride for modern Israelis." Every one of the 38 citations in the article contains a version of this statement, but this is a particularly direct one. Onceinawhile (talk) 01:38, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Onceinawhile: Should probably ping.--Launchballer 12:52, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
David Yong
- ... that David Yong's interest in K-pop started after he took his younger brother to a Twice concert in 2017? Source: https://www.tnp.sg/entertainment/music/singaporean-lawyer-ceo-david-yong-makes-k-pop-debut-signs-mamamoos-agency
- ALT1: ... that Singapore-born businessman and K-Pop singer David Yong invested 10 billion won ($7.5 million USD) to an entertainment agency that faced a legal dispute with its only artist? Source: https://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20240303050161
- ALT2: ... that before Singaporean artist David Yong mounted his music career, he was the chief executive officer of a timber firm? Source: [7]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Blinking Sam
~ Tails Wx 00:23, 18 July 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: I want to suggest linking "an entertainment agency" and "its only artist" to their respective articles, but not sure if that would be overlinking. Just a thought—otherwise all looks good. I prefer ALT0, just waiting for QPQ now. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 01:45, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- I did consider linking those terms, but ultimately decided not to because of the aforementioned reason. QPQ now done. Thanks for the review, Bsoyka! ~ Tails Wx 20:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Works for me—here's the beautiful green stamp of approval. Great work here! Bsoyka (t • c • g) 21:50, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't know if DYK?again is the right icon to use here, but a question popped up on my talk page which might affect this nom, so I'll just copy that to this page and let the conversation continue here. RoySmith (talk) 20:33, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
moved from User Talk:RoySmith#How adverse is DYK...
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... in promoting a BLP hook when there is new (negative) development? While this is regarding a specific DYK nom, I generally have been inactive in the DYK area hence a lack of knowledge of the norms on DYK reviewing on my part, thus the question here. This is also at no fault of anyone involved in the DYK item thus far. DYK/David Yong was reviewed and approved in July 2024. Almost one month later now in August, he was recently arrested and charged in Singapore for some financial crimes. In this circumstance, will the BLP hook be queued for the Main Page still? If so, which hook will be used? ALT0 or ALT1? – robertsky (talk) 18:36, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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- From the discussion above: I definitely do think that the recent news does impact ALT1, though ALT0 doesn't seem to be impacted by this, other than the mention of Yong. The reviewer, Bsoyka, did prefer ALT0, and I almost don't see a problem with it being accepted, other than given the recent news on Yong's financial problems, which does make me re-think that for a bit. ~ Tails Wx 03:06, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- WP:DYKBLP suggests avoiding undue attention on contentious information, but negative developments do not disqualify a subject from being on DYK as long as BLP and other guidelines/policies are followed. As long as the article is updated, and given how Yong is not primarily known for the recent incident, I can't see how the latest incident should prevent this from being promoted with ALT0. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- My only concern is ALT1. I am ambivalent about the rest. – robertsky (talk) 16:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't find ALT0 interesting either @Tails Wx:. My suggestion would be something along the lines of "that before David Yong mounted a music career, he had been the chief executive officer of a timber firm".--Launchballer 07:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, I've rephrased your suggested hook a bit and added ALT2 above. ~ Tails Wx 03:37, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't find ALT0 interesting either @Tails Wx:. My suggestion would be something along the lines of "that before David Yong mounted a music career, he had been the chief executive officer of a timber firm".--Launchballer 07:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Khalji Revolution
- ... that the Khalji Revolution led by Jalaluddin Khalji saw the fall of the Turkic Mamluk Dynasty and the rise of the Turko-Afghan Khalji dynasty to rule the Delhi Sultanate?
- Reviewed:
Noorullah (talk) 03:06, 18 July 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review, but just wanted to leave some alts:
- ALT1: ...that during the Khalji Revolution, the sultan Qaiqabad was wrapped in a carpet and thrown into the Yamuna river?
- ALT2: ...that the child sultan Shamsuddin Kayumars was imprisoned and deposed as a result of the Khalji Revolution?
- Kimikel (talk) 03:31, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
I will review the original hook
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Overall: I changed the licence of File:Maginary portrait of Sultan Firuz Khalji, Khwaja Hasan, and a dervish..jpg from PD-ART-70 to PD-ArT-100 (it is from 1640) Cambalachero (talk) 23:35, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Could do one of the alt's suggested instead then. Noorullah (talk) 01:07, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- The two ALT hooks are referenced as part of a reference that covers a whole paragraph. The reference should be placed specifically on the sentence being used, even if repetitive. I may accept the article anyway, but then someone else would roll it back and ask the same thing, so let's do it right from the start. Cambalachero (talk) 19:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 19
[edit]Jubilee Bridge (Tay)
- ... that the course of the River Tay was diverted to allow construction of the Jubilee Bridge (pictured)?
- Source: https://www.scottishroadsarchive.org/a9 North of here, the course of the River Tay was diverted to allow the new road to run along the river valley.
- ALT1: ... that the construction of the Jubilee Bridge (pictured) over the River Tay was featured in the reconstruction of the A9 documentary? Source: https://movingimage.nls.uk/film/1962 (its a film)
- Reviewed:
JuniperChill (talk) 11:29, 20 July 2024 (UTC).
- All good except: (1) some portions of the text lack citations; (2) there is some copied text per Earwig's tool: [8]; and (3) the last sentence of the lead doesn't have a period. Please add cites, rewrite the copyvio in your own words, and fix the missing period. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:20, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- I also don't find ALT1 to be interesting enough. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- I will be off until 10am UK/UTC time Monday since I may not edit on Sunday's and will also be off that day. Also pinging Coldupnorth. Otherwise, I should be able to make those improvements on Monday. It's already 22:42 and I need to sleep. The hot weather is already making it harder. JuniperChill (talk) 21:47, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have rewritten text to remove copyvio, added full stop and added references. Thanks. Coldupnorth (talk) 07:59, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I was about to make the requested changes, but it seems like they have been done. Thank you Coldupnorth for this. To be fair, While I didn't start this article, I made some significant changes to it. I don't really edit on Sunday's as often as other days. JuniperChill (talk) 08:11, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have rewritten text to remove copyvio, added full stop and added references. Thanks. Coldupnorth (talk) 07:59, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I will be off until 10am UK/UTC time Monday since I may not edit on Sunday's and will also be off that day. Also pinging Coldupnorth. Otherwise, I should be able to make those improvements on Monday. It's already 22:42 and I need to sleep. The hot weather is already making it harder. JuniperChill (talk) 21:47, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- I also don't find ALT1 to be interesting enough. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- voorts, since these changes were made a week ago by the creator, what do you think? JuniperChill (talk) 09:41, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Voorts: Comments on the above? Z1720 (talk) 00:29, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- @JuniperChill, Coldupnorth, and Z1720: This sentence lacks a citation: "The project (and therefore the second bridge) was supposed to be complete in 2025, but delays to the project meant that the doubled bridge will be finished by 2032 instead with the project as a whole in 2035." Earwig still shows some coypvio. voorts (talk/contributions) 01:47, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- I saw a comment which said in the source editor "see main A9 dualling project for verification", so does that actually count (ie, users can verify the information by reading the A9 dualling project article) or it has to be a proper inline citation? I also think 12% copyvio is alright because its only like 1-2 paragraphs out of, like 30. JuniperChill (talk) 22:42, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- @JuniperChill, Coldupnorth, and Z1720: This sentence lacks a citation: "The project (and therefore the second bridge) was supposed to be complete in 2025, but delays to the project meant that the doubled bridge will be finished by 2032 instead with the project as a whole in 2035." Earwig still shows some coypvio. voorts (talk/contributions) 01:47, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Voorts: Comments on the above? Z1720 (talk) 00:29, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- @JuniperChill: It needs its own inline citation. 1-2 paragraphs of copyvio is still too much and the information should be summarised and synthesized in the article. Z1720 (talk) 16:01, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have now done both. Should be alright now. JuniperChill (talk) 19:17, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Voorts and Z1720: Pinging per above comment. diff. JuniperChill (talk) 15:39, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Max Greyserman
- ... that PGA Tour golfer Max Greyserman's mother competed in a golf tournament 13 years after being diagnosed with multiple sclerosis?
or ALT1:
- ... that PGA Tour golfer Max Greyserman and his brother Reed are the first brothers to win the New Jersey Amateur Championship?
or ALT2:
- ... that a year before golfer Max Greyserman earned his first PGA Tour card, he considered a different career path?
- Source: "in 2022, Greyserman briefly considered alternative career paths" and October 2023 article: "Max Greyserman has earned his first PGA TOUR card"
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7000:2101:AA00:A91E:FA5D:EAB2:D6B0 (talk) 08:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Masada myth
- Comment: Nominated on behalf of an IP editor who will, as usual, provide the QPQ.
Schwede66 08:39, 20 July 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: 8 of the 16 citations were checked for verification and close paraphrasing; no issues arose. I prefer ALT2 because the focus is on the subject of the article. ALT1 may mention a record being set, but the PGA Tour is more prestigious than the New Jersey Amateur Championship, so I still prefer ALT2. Yue🌙 17:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Unpromoted per WP:ERRORS RoySmith (talk) 15:07, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sigh, I forgot to add an icon. The WP:ERRORS discussion was essentially
A huge portion of this article rests on sources connected to the subject, like his old university and the PGA and the U.S. Open – WP:RS requires that articles be based on independent sources. Also, a significant portion of the article is WP:PROSELINE statistics, which read really awkwardly and make the article feel half-finished.
RoySmith (talk) 18:37, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 22
[edit]Articles created/expanded on July 23
[edit]Splitwise
- ... that Splitwise brought about ideas on how to handle money-related conversations with friends and family? Source: Tibken, Shara (2024-05-14). "The Best Way to Split the Check at Group Dinners—and Not Leave Grumpy". The Wall Street Journal. Retrieved 2024-07-22.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Li–Fraumeni syndrome
- Comment: Happy to provide paywalled article text by email—thanks for the review!
Bsoyka (t • c • g) 05:30, 23 July 2024 (UTC).
- Not reviewing, but PSA: Use archive.ph to jump the paywall. It's probably legal. Bremps... 08:07, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Bsoyka, can you un-proseline the history section? Sohom (talk) 13:40, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Once the above is done, this should be good to go. Sohom (talk) 13:45, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Bsoyka, can you un-proseline the history section? Sohom (talk) 13:40, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
this is the opposite of good to go.
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To ensure people pay their fair amount, try a bill-splitting calculator like the free, popular Splitwise. Everyone enters what they paid for, such as one person covering dinner and another covering pre-meal drinks. Then the app shows what people owe each other. In my testing, I found that it serves the most needs.
- Interesting: - boring
- Other problems: - promotional hook, and not mentioned in article
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Overall: ltbdl☃ (talk) 08:42, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Placing a maybe symbol here. The nomination should not be outright rejected since only the hook is contested. Flibirigit (talk) 14:00, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree, we should allow the nominator to respond. Also, to clarify my previous statement, I had not fully evaluated everything and thus hadn't used any official symbols (which would imply a full review). I agree that the hook needs to be workshopped a fair bit to make it less promotional, I do think however, that the hook is cited given that the article in general talks about Splitwise in the context of handling money related conversations. -- Sohom (talk) 19:54, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Looking at the article, the article tone may be a more significant issue than the hook. The "Functionality" section vaguely reads like an advertisement, which is probably not the intention but it could still benefit from a rewrite. The "History" section might not meet WP:Proseline and so probably needs revision. The issues aren't insurmountable, but they do need to be addressed for the nomination to pass. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:30, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree, we should allow the nominator to respond. Also, to clarify my previous statement, I had not fully evaluated everything and thus hadn't used any official symbols (which would imply a full review). I agree that the hook needs to be workshopped a fair bit to make it less promotional, I do think however, that the hook is cited given that the article in general talks about Splitwise in the context of handling money related conversations. -- Sohom (talk) 19:54, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 24
[edit]Abduction of Jonila Castro and Jhed Tamano
- ... that two kidnapped activists (pictured) were released after they randomly stated that they were kidnapped?
- Source: ABS-CBN Al-Jazeera Rappler
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
01:04, 24 July 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review, but the hook could draw more attention with careful omission. How about... ALT1: ... the Filipino government tried forcing two kidnapped activists to confess to being rebels at a press conference, but they had other plans? Bremps... 20:06, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Pretty good, I'll accept that one.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
07:49, 26 July 2024 (UTC).- @TheNuggeteer: Please provide a QPQ, or this may be closed as unsuccessful. Z1720 (talk) 16:40, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Did the QPQ.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
23:45, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Did the QPQ.
- @TheNuggeteer: Please provide a QPQ, or this may be closed as unsuccessful. Z1720 (talk) 16:40, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Pretty good, I'll accept that one.
- Full review needed now that QPQ has been submitted. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:27, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
You think you just fell out of a coconut tree?
- ALT1: ... that the KHive is coconut-pilled? Source: https://www.npr.org/2024/07/21/g-s1-12556/kamala-harris-coconut-tree-meme-context-unburdened
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Patrick Gottsch
- Comment: not sure if the video would work here but it might be fun! ;,)
Spaghettifier (talk) 18:43, 24 July 2024 (UTC).
- Will take this up for review. PanagiotisZois (talk) 20:49, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- All right. The article is both new enough (having been created just a few days ago) and long enough; more than 5.000 characters.
- The sources all are reliable and from mostly high-quality periodicals.
- A video is used within the hook, but it is in the public domain, having been created by the White House of America.
- Both hooks are properly cited, with sources that correspond to their location in the article.
- From what I see, QPQ still needs to be done.
- For the hooks themselves, both of them could work. Admittedly, both are somewhat on the humorous side, but I guess that's the point. To hook the reader onto the article. The main hook especially is quite funny (subjective view) and takes advantage of the "Did you know that [XX]" portion of the DYK nominations. However, the second hook also brings up the word "coconut", which has become a meme of its own. Regarding this I'm curious, @Spaghettifier:, I don't suppose you have another hook in mind that uses the word "coconut tree" in it? Maybe "that Kamala Harris' mother asked her if she "just fell out of a coconut tree"?" or akin to that? PanagiotisZois (talk) 21:05, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @PanagiotisZois: thank you for the review! The QPQ is complete here. With regard to the hook, I'd prefer to make ALT0 work if possible — it's lighthearted but pretty widely recognizable at this point, and an iconic part of the article. If we need to go with something more straightforward/coconut-centric, another idea might be using this LA Times quote from the reception section:
ALT2: ... that Kamala Harris is "fully coconut"?
- Cheers — Spaghettifier (talk) 21:40, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Alternatively, ALT3:
... whether you just fell out of a coconut tree?
Spaghettifier (talk) 03:51, 25 July 2024 (UTC)- @Spaghettifier: I'm crying. XD ALT #3 is great. Honestly, I do think both this one and the main hook are about equally good, so I'll leave the final decision up to you. With the GPQ done, this is all that remains.PanagiotisZois (talk) 06:49, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Although one suggestion I do have is that for ALT3, it might be best to just omit the word "whether" altogether. PanagiotisZois (talk) 09:37, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe save this for an April Fool's hook? Bremps... 16:33, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- I will say I think this is gonna get more pageviews if it goes up before the election. I'm still gonna vote ALT0 or ALT3, up to whoever promotes. Spaghettifier (talk) 18:18, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. Waiting until next year is overkill. I will go with ALT3. It's catchy, and also includes much of the article's pagename within it. My only question is @Spaghettifier: if you wish to have it remain as is or remove "whether" from it; so that it will read as "Did you know... you just fell out of a coconut tree?".PanagiotisZois (talk) 19:15, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- I like the 'whether' because it a) messes with the form a little bit and b) doesn't automatically accuse the reader of having fallen out a coconut tree. Spaghettifier (talk) 19:21, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. Waiting until next year is overkill. I will go with ALT3. It's catchy, and also includes much of the article's pagename within it. My only question is @Spaghettifier: if you wish to have it remain as is or remove "whether" from it; so that it will read as "Did you know... you just fell out of a coconut tree?".PanagiotisZois (talk) 19:15, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- I will say I think this is gonna get more pageviews if it goes up before the election. I'm still gonna vote ALT0 or ALT3, up to whoever promotes. Spaghettifier (talk) 18:18, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe save this for an April Fool's hook? Bremps... 16:33, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Although one suggestion I do have is that for ALT3, it might be best to just omit the word "whether" altogether. PanagiotisZois (talk) 09:37, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Spaghettifier: I'm crying. XD ALT #3 is great. Honestly, I do think both this one and the main hook are about equally good, so I'll leave the final decision up to you. With the GPQ done, this is all that remains.PanagiotisZois (talk) 06:49, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @PanagiotisZois: thank you for the review! The QPQ is complete here. With regard to the hook, I'd prefer to make ALT0 work if possible — it's lighthearted but pretty widely recognizable at this point, and an iconic part of the article. If we need to go with something more straightforward/coconut-centric, another idea might be using this LA Times quote from the reception section:
All right then. ALT3 is approved as is .--PanagiotisZois (talk) 19:47, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- ALT3 was pulled from Queue by BD2412 per a discussion at WT:DYK, so this will need a new hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:37, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just noting that I have struck ALT2. "Coconut" is a slur meaning "brown on the outside, white on the inside", and without the specialist knowledge that it is a quote (which should be attributed anyway), some will interpret it as racist. See also List of ethnic slurs and Banana, coconut, and Twinkie.--Launchballer 20:53, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's super fair. Did anyone have any objections to the original ALT1? Still works for me. Spaghettifier (talk) 16:12, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Speaking as a Brit, I think it speaks to people who know what the KHive is. I have no objection personally to ALT0, so long as quote marks are added. (There's an argument that says hooks should avoid addressing the reader as "you", which is more than a bit silly given that all hooks begin "did you know"!)--Launchballer 09:04, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- I definitely think this is different than the typical poorly-defined second person sentence, but quotation marks are fine with me. Either way works. Spaghettifier (talk) 13:29, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Speaking as a Brit, I think it speaks to people who know what the KHive is. I have no objection personally to ALT0, so long as quote marks are added. (There's an argument that says hooks should avoid addressing the reader as "you", which is more than a bit silly given that all hooks begin "did you know"!)--Launchballer 09:04, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's super fair. Did anyone have any objections to the original ALT1? Still works for me. Spaghettifier (talk) 16:12, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just noting that I have struck ALT2. "Coconut" is a slur meaning "brown on the outside, white on the inside", and without the specialist knowledge that it is a quote (which should be attributed anyway), some will interpret it as racist. See also List of ethnic slurs and Banana, coconut, and Twinkie.--Launchballer 20:53, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 25
[edit]Julie Roy (activist)
- ... that Julie Roy was the first woman to successfully sue her therapist for sexual coercion?
- Source: Dictionary of Women Worldwide (https://www.encyclopedia.com/women/dictionaries-thesauruses-pictures-and-press-releases/roy-julie-c-1938): "Became 1st woman to successfully sue psychiatrist for inveigling her into sexual relationship under guise of therapy"
- ALT1: ... that a future high-profile divorce lawyer represented Julie Roy in the first successful lawsuit against a therapist for sexual coercion? Source: Betrayal - https://archive.org/details/betrayaltruestor00free/mode/2up - referred to as "Bob Cohen" through the book, the foreword gives thanks to "Robert Stephan Cohen and Loren H. Plotkin for their support and assistance"
- Reviewed:
- Comment: this is my second DYK nomination. i learned from the mistakes I made the first time, made sure to cite all important claims in the article, waited until the article was properly evaluated to submit the DYK, and will be active in fixing any issues that may arise.
jeschaton (immanentize) 21:29, 30 July 2024 (UTC).
- As this is a "first" hook, per WP:DYKHOOK, sourcing has to be exceptionally strong to make sure that the fact about it being the first of its kind is accurate. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:20, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Neither hook is fine. The first, as said, needs an exceptionally strong source, and it cites a dictionary. The second has a WP:EASTEREGG link. And overall, people notable for only one event should not have an article about the person, but about the event. Please rearrange the info accordingly, and we may make a full review. Cambalachero (talk) 18:17, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Ácido Argentino
- ... that Rolling Stone listed Ácido Argentino as the best album of Argentine heavy metal?
- Source: "Los 40 discos esenciales del metal argentino" [The essential 40 albums of Argentine metal] (in Spanish). Rolling Stone. May 16, 2024. Retrieved July 25, 2024.
Cambalachero (talk) 19:34, 25 July 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on July 26
[edit]Poll (parrot)
- ... that a parrot reportedly screamed profanities at the funeral of Andrew Jackson?
Di (they-them) (talk) 02:33, 26 July 2024 (UTC).
- - Age and length are fine. No copvio/plagiarism concerns (Earwig = 26% but it's a quote). The hook is entertaining, and reliably sourced. I think it's good to go. KJP1 (talk) 05:55, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Edmilson Pedro
- ... that Olympian Edmilson Pedro "started practicing judo from the cradle"?
- Source: RFI
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Nicole Chang-Leng
- Comment: Note: this is relying on Google's translation of the French statement "Comecei a praticar judo desde o berço". Requesting a French speaker review this just to make sure it is an accurate translation.
BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC).
- @BeanieFan11: Please supply a QPQ as soon as possible. Z1720 (talk) 04:06, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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... that Olympian Edmilson Pedro said that "started practicing judo from the cradle"?
, but that's not interesting, is it?
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Overall: by the way, that's not french, that's portuguese. deepl translates it as I started practising judo from birth.
ltbdl☃ (talk) 15:39, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Ltbdl: Do you think the deepl translation should be used? If so, the options are:
- ALT1 ... that Olympian Edmilson Pedro said that he "started practicing judo from birth"?
- ALT2 ... that Olympian Edmilson Pedro "started practicing judo from birth"?
- As for whether it is accurate (ALT0/ALT2), my viewpoint is that it is what he did say – that's why its in quotes (I've had some similar ones before approved, e.g. Template:Did you know nominations/Inman Jackson). Thoughts? BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:56, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- honestly, the fact that he says trained from birth isn't interesting or unusual. a lot of people say that. do you disagree? ltbdl☃ (talk) 06:00, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- I kind of thought someone competing in a fighting sport from birth was interesting – maybe we could get a third opinion? BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:25, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- honestly, the fact that he says trained from birth isn't interesting or unusual. a lot of people say that. do you disagree? ltbdl☃ (talk) 06:00, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- But he did not compete from birth, did he? It's an expression, and I too think it's quite a common one. In fact, if an Olympian had not trained since very early age, that would probably be more interesting. Unfortunately I cannot draw anything more DYK-appropriate from the article either. When I cannot think of anything attention-grabbing, I go for a word play. Perhaps give that a try. Surtsicna (talk) 16:20, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Shapez 2
- ... that Shapez 2 went from a plain white background to outer space? Source: Hardcore Gamer
'''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 04:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC).
- I've added an image on the right, which could be used if ALT1 is promoted. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 04:50, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Article is new and just barely long enough, by a margin of 17 bytes. Sourcing in the article looks good, and Earwig checks out. Image licensing looks alright as well. I don't love ALT0 (not quite interesting enough and lacks context), and ALT1 is not present in the article. QPQ is not required as nominator has 1 prior DYK nom. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 13:42, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- @PCN02WPS: I'll do some expansion later, so length shouldn't be an issue. I agree that the hooks aren't that good, so what about something like this: ALT2: " ... that unlike its 2D monochrome predecessor, Shapez 2 features 3D conveyer belts in space?" The source for ALT2 is the same Hardcore Gamer article. Alternatively, I could add the information in ALT1 to the article. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 14:20, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Article is new and just barely long enough, by a margin of 17 bytes. Sourcing in the article looks good, and Earwig checks out. Image licensing looks alright as well. I don't love ALT0 (not quite interesting enough and lacks context), and ALT1 is not present in the article. QPQ is not required as nominator has 1 prior DYK nom. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 13:42, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- @PCN02WPS: Have your concerns been addressed, and this approved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 16:44, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
New reviewer needed unless PCN02WPS returns. Z1720 (talk) 14:41, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- sorry all, haven't spent much sustained time on WP recently. I still don't love this hook; it's set up like "monochrome" is going to be contrasted by something later in the hook (especially given it's linked) but nothing in the hook mentions the second iteration being multicolored at all. ALT2 also has the issue that it's not mentioned in the article as worded in the hook. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 20:42, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Courtesy ping CanonNi PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:35, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- PCN02WPS Thanks for the ping. Yeah... ALT2 isn't that good either. The information in ALT1 is mentioned in the gameplay section, and I could reword it so that it's similar to the hook. Another possible hook (ALT3) could be "... that in later stages of the game Shapez 2, players will need to supply four thousand copies of the same shape every minute?" The source is this RPS review. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 02:08, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- @CanonNi: ALT3 is my favorite. But, again, it is not mentioned in the article. This is a necessity for DYK, see WP:DYKHFC. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 19:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- @PCN02WPS: Sorry for the late reply; I was quite busy last week. Thanks for pointing the issue out. I'll add the information in ALT3 to the article now. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:55, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- @CanonNi: ALT3 is my favorite. But, again, it is not mentioned in the article. This is a necessity for DYK, see WP:DYKHFC. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 19:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- PCN02WPS Thanks for the ping. Yeah... ALT2 isn't that good either. The information in ALT1 is mentioned in the gameplay section, and I could reword it so that it's similar to the hook. Another possible hook (ALT3) could be "... that in later stages of the game Shapez 2, players will need to supply four thousand copies of the same shape every minute?" The source is this RPS review. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 02:08, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
I would like to note that the current image shown is from the original Shapez, and not Shapez 2. 64.39.209.163 (talk) 16:53, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- @CanonNi: the fact in the article still does not match the hook. If the IP user above me is correct, the picture will probably need to be dropped or changed as well. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 14:57, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Also, looking again at the source, it seems as though this need for 4,000 shapes per minute is a result of this particular user's save file and is not necessarily an unavoidable requirement within the game. As such, I think ALT3 might be slightly misleading in its wording. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:00, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 27
[edit]Henry Bubb
- ... that Henry Bubb (pictured) started as a loan clerk before becoming the president of Capitol Federal Savings Bank 15 years later? Source: "Henry A. Bubb". Kansas Business Hall of Fame. Retrieved 2024-07-24.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
- Comment: Thanks for the review!
Bsoyka (t • c • g) 23:51, 27 July 2024 (UTC).
- I will take this review. Dwkaminski (talk) 20:43, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Cited: - hook says he started as loan clerk but source only states clerk
- Interesting: - Interesting but perhaps a slight rewrite? Current phrasing makes it seem like he went straight from clerk to president. Also leaves out his role as chairman. Something like "Henry Bubb started as a clerk and became/moved up/progressed to president and chairman of the board of Capitol Federal Savings Bank 15 years later"
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- Sourcing:
- I can't view the ancestry.com page for reference #1 but AGF. Ancestry.com is allowed by WP:ELPEREN for official documents such as birth certificate
- I'm less forgiving on reference #2 - the reference quotes census but the link goes to Ancestry.com. Is it really necessary to state that "at some point he lived in Gallatin County, Montana"? Recommend to remove due to reliance on non WP:RS. The ksbf.org reference states that he moved to Topeka at an early age and Daily Gazette says Topeka was home since infancy.
- OK for usage of ancestry.com for marriage license for reference #4 and draft card for reference #5
- I can't view newspaper.com for reference #7 but AGF
- ksbf.org reference does not support "Bubb was the president of the United States Savings and Loan League from 1949 to 1950....and the University of Kansas (KU) Alumni Association " statements in career section
- "He was a member of.... (including as the board chairman)" not supported by New York Times reference and "the KU Athletic Board, and the Washburn University Board of Regents." not supported by KBHF ref.
- Plagiarism free:
- Earwing copyvio shows 12.3% - violation unlikely
- Are we sure that this hook is interesting? It seems like quite a straightforward career progression. If he had started out as a casino dealer, that would be attention-grabbing. Surtsicna (talk) 16:23, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 28
[edit]Center squeeze
- ... that in Burlington's second election using ranked-choice voting, independent Bob Kiss was elected despite his opponent being preferred by over half the voters?
- Reviewed:
Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 01:11, 3 August 2024 (UTC).
- This is more of a comment than a review for now, but I have some reservations about the hook. For instance, the subject of the hook is Center squeeze, but the article is more about Burlington's second election. Unless you want to make it a double hook, I'm not sure if the current hook as written is appropriate or at least meets WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE regarding hooks being primarily about the subject. My suggestion would be to write a hook that's specifically about Center squeeze itself (perhaps something about its spoiler effect?), as opposed to a specific example. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:20, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
50 YouTubers Fight for $1,000,000
- ... that MrBeast's video "50 YouTubers Fight for $1,000,000" got over 70 million views in 24 hours making it his most viewed video in that time frame?
Sahaib (talk) 12:59, 30 July 2024 (UTC).
- Hold on, there is a deletion discussion, and the replies are leaning over delete and redirecting, this might not make it to DYK, but I will review it nevertheless.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
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Overall: Everything is okay, just needs waiting for the deletion discussion. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
12:50, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- @TheNuggeteer: it is done. Sahaib (talk) 19:53, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
J1407b
- ... that the "Super Saturn" exoplanet J1407b might actually turn out to be a free-floating planet or brown dwarf?
- Source: "Issues with the stability of any rings combined with the lack of detection of another eclipse, suggests that J1407b may not be bound to J1407." Mentel, R. T.; et al. (2018). "Constraining the period of the ringed secondary companion to the young star J1407 with photographic plates". Astronomy & Astrophysics.; "...the object we called J1407b is floating freely through the Galaxy, and just happened to pass in front of a very young star." Kenworthy, M. A. J1407b. (2024)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/White bear of Henry III
- Comment: The J1407b article was converted from redirect into article as a result of a split from the V1400 Centauri article. I began slowly expanding V1400 Centauri on 8 July 2024, but I did not add much to the J1407b section until 24 July 2024. As of today, it's been 5 days since I significantly expanded the J1407b section. Also, the image is optional; I'm fine whether it is used or not.
Nrco0e (talk • contribs) 20:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC).
- Comment: @Nrco0e: Hey, nice work on this article. I just took a look at your previous DYK entries, and this one is slightly different. Per WP:DYKHOOK, "The hook should include a definite fact that is unlikely to change, and citations in the article that are used to support the hook fact must verify the hook and be reliable." Do we know for a fact that J1407b might be a free-floating planet or a brown dwarf? It doesn't seem so. Your current version says it is not a brown dwarf. This hook also gives the impression of WP:CRYSTAL. What do you think? Can you come up with other hooks or do you personally believe this follows the rules? Viriditas (talk) 22:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Nrco0e: my guess is you are busy with school, but pinging you just in case that helps draw your attention by the weekend. Viriditas (talk) 20:12, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- @ජපස: I could use your guidance. Could you review my comments up above? Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 22:26, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- I am actually okay with the hook. Brown dwarf seems to not be ruled out and the crucial word "might" makes it facilely correct whether or not it is actually this way or that! There is even a small chance that this thing is just an extremely eccentric orbit, though the chances of this are slim to none. :) jps (talk) 22:31, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- @ජපස: I'm with you. The problem is that the lead of the article currently says "Mamajek's team initially hypothesized that J1407b is an exoplanet or brown dwarf orbiting the star, but that has since been disfavored by later studies", so if we run this hook it will sound incorrect. Could you maybe take a look at the article when you have some time and make any necessary adjustments or propose a new hook? There's also the slight problem that DYK tends to favor hooks that consist of facts that don't change. Thanks, and there's no hurry on any of this. Viriditas (talk) 22:34, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, you mean because someone might think get confused and think the brown dwarf was not free-floating? It is the orbit that is disfavored as opposed to the identification of the object's planet vs. brown dwarf status. jps (talk) 22:47, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Right. Any way to clarify that? Viriditas (talk) 22:50, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- ... that when J1407b (which is either an exoplanet or brown dwarf) was discovered, it was thought likely to be orbiting the star V1400 Centauri, but current evidence implies it is more likely free-floating? jps (talk) 23:02, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- @ජපස and Viriditas: Hi, yes, I've been really busy with school and other personal matters, so I apologize for the delay. jps, I think your hook is good, but I think it needs to mention that J1407b has a disk/ring system, since that is what J1407b is most known for. In that case, perhaps you can say this below?
- ... that when J1407b (a ringed exoplanet or brown dwarf) was discovered, it was thought to be orbiting the star V1400 Centauri, but current evidence implies it is more likely free-floating?
- I feel like that the parenthetical part of this hook can be eliminated to make it more concise (i.e. say "when the ringed exoplanet or brown dwarf J1407b was discovered"), but I'm not sure if it flows any better, so I'd like to hear what you two think. Nrco0e (talk • contribs) 00:44, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- No worries, this is what we call the "riffing" stage. Parentheticals aren’t really allowed in hooks. Viriditas (talk) 01:09, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think we should stick with one or the other. Personally, if I had to choose, I would not say anything about the rings/disk. The lack of a repeated transit is more interesting. But, alternatively, you could say something like "... that J1407b is either a brown dwarf with a protoplanetary disk or a ringed exoplanet." jps (talk) 01:28, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Adding below. Please change or add as necessary. Viriditas (talk) 21:17, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note, the proposed caption for the image is likely too long and needs to be trimmed. Viriditas (talk) 21:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Viriditas: I'm leaning towards ALT1. The lede of the J1407b article states it is a substellar object (an umbrella term including exoplanets and brown dwarfs), so I think ALT2 would be confusing to the layman. I did change the wording of ALT2 for clarity since the original sounded like J1407b had either a disk or ringed exoplanet, although it still doesn't resolve this aforementioned issue. Nrco0e (talk • contribs) 23:00, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ok. Can you please trim the lead image caption? I don't think they will allow a long caption like that. Viriditas (talk) 23:03, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Viriditas: How short does the caption have to be? Would "Illustration of a brown dwarf surrounded by a protoplanetary disk" be enough or does that caption sound too unrelated to the subject? If the latter is an issue, would it work to include "like J1407b" somewhere in the caption? Nrco0e (talk • contribs) 23:11, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure, but "Illustration of a brown dwarf surrounded by a protoplanetary disk" sounds perfect to me, and if there's a problem, others will deal with it. Even better would be "Illus. of a brown dwarf surrounded by a protoplanetary disk" but I don't know if that's gospel. Viriditas (talk) 23:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Got it, I've changed the caption. Nrco0e (talk • contribs) 23:30, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure, but "Illustration of a brown dwarf surrounded by a protoplanetary disk" sounds perfect to me, and if there's a problem, others will deal with it. Even better would be "Illus. of a brown dwarf surrounded by a protoplanetary disk" but I don't know if that's gospel. Viriditas (talk) 23:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Viriditas: How short does the caption have to be? Would "Illustration of a brown dwarf surrounded by a protoplanetary disk" be enough or does that caption sound too unrelated to the subject? If the latter is an issue, would it work to include "like J1407b" somewhere in the caption? Nrco0e (talk • contribs) 23:11, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ok. Can you please trim the lead image caption? I don't think they will allow a long caption like that. Viriditas (talk) 23:03, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Viriditas: I'm leaning towards ALT1. The lede of the J1407b article states it is a substellar object (an umbrella term including exoplanets and brown dwarfs), so I think ALT2 would be confusing to the layman. I did change the wording of ALT2 for clarity since the original sounded like J1407b had either a disk or ringed exoplanet, although it still doesn't resolve this aforementioned issue. Nrco0e (talk • contribs) 23:00, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note, the proposed caption for the image is likely too long and needs to be trimmed. Viriditas (talk) 21:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Adding below. Please change or add as necessary. Viriditas (talk) 21:17, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- @ජපස and Viriditas: Hi, yes, I've been really busy with school and other personal matters, so I apologize for the delay. jps, I think your hook is good, but I think it needs to mention that J1407b has a disk/ring system, since that is what J1407b is most known for. In that case, perhaps you can say this below?
- ... that when J1407b (which is either an exoplanet or brown dwarf) was discovered, it was thought likely to be orbiting the star V1400 Centauri, but current evidence implies it is more likely free-floating? jps (talk) 23:02, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Right. Any way to clarify that? Viriditas (talk) 22:50, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, you mean because someone might think get confused and think the brown dwarf was not free-floating? It is the orbit that is disfavored as opposed to the identification of the object's planet vs. brown dwarf status. jps (talk) 22:47, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- @ජපස: I'm with you. The problem is that the lead of the article currently says "Mamajek's team initially hypothesized that J1407b is an exoplanet or brown dwarf orbiting the star, but that has since been disfavored by later studies", so if we run this hook it will sound incorrect. Could you maybe take a look at the article when you have some time and make any necessary adjustments or propose a new hook? There's also the slight problem that DYK tends to favor hooks that consist of facts that don't change. Thanks, and there's no hurry on any of this. Viriditas (talk) 22:34, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- I am actually okay with the hook. Brown dwarf seems to not be ruled out and the crucial word "might" makes it facilely correct whether or not it is actually this way or that! There is even a small chance that this thing is just an extremely eccentric orbit, though the chances of this are slim to none. :) jps (talk) 22:31, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Nrco0e and ජපස: Earwig doesn't like this:
Mark J. Pecaut, a then-graduate student under the supervision of Eric E. Mamajek at the University of Rochester discovered...
Can you paraphrase and reword? Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 01:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)- Seems like excessive detail to me. The names of discoverers are also a bit of a throwback. Unless there was much mention in the media or something about attributing the discovery, it devalues the team nature of how science is actually done. jps (talk) 10:48, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Good point. I will look during my second read through. Do you think the lead section is too dense for the general reader? I know the body is, but it's not too difficult to get through. My only issue is that some of it was kind of boring and I thought the prose could be a touch more exciting particularly in terms of summarizing each section in the first sentence, so the reader knows what's coming and is prepared for the details. I would like to close this soon so I'm going to try and expedite this review. Has everyone chosen the best hook? Viriditas (talk) 20:12, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Seems like excessive detail to me. The names of discoverers are also a bit of a throwback. Unless there was much mention in the media or something about attributing the discovery, it devalues the team nature of how science is actually done. jps (talk) 10:48, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Lead:
It was first detected by telescopes of the Super Wide Angle Search for Planets (SuperWASP) and All Sky Automated Survey (ASAS) projects in April–June 2007
. Any reason to include the "April-June" part and just say 2007 instead? Works better for the reader, and there's no reason to know the months here, is there? Viriditas (talk) 02:04, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Astronomers Mark Pecaut and Eric Mamajek
Do we really need a link to astronomers here? Viriditas (talk) 02:05, 30 August 2024 (UTC)- I would say "no". jps (talk) 10:49, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- I changed it to "team of astronomers". @ජපස: I was just looking at various versions of this subject on other language projects. What I found interesting is how different sites treat the subject. For example, at es, the authors write "J1407b is probably a brown dwarf that is not gravitationally attracted by a star", whereas we take a more ambiguous POV. Just wondering what you think of this. Another thing I've noticed is that the other sites are also very easy to read and understand, whereas this article has somewhat unnecessarily complex and confusing language that talks around the subject rather than just directly stating the knowns and unknowns. Viriditas (talk) 21:33, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- I would say "no". jps (talk) 10:49, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Nrco0e and ජපස: Earwig doesn't like this:
- ALT1: ... that when J1407b was discovered, it was thought to be orbiting the star V1400 Centauri, but current evidence implies it is more likely free-floating?
- ALT2: ... that J1407b is either a brown dwarf with a protoplanetary disk or an exoplanet with a massive ring system?
- ALT3: ... that the "Super Saturn" exoplanet J1407b might turn out to be a free-floating planet or brown dwarf?
Juan de Casas
- ... that Juan de Casas left the Mantuano creoles out of his planned junta in colonial Venezuela?
- Reviewed:
Mebigrouxboy (talk) 19:40, 29 July 2024 (UTC).
The article is new and long enough. The sources it cites are of high quality. I see neither close paraphrasing nor neutrality issues. I do, however, think that the hook is not interesting to a broader audience. Fortunately, I think such a hook can be produced from this article. I would propose:
- ALT2: ... that the Spanish military governor of Venezuela, Juan de Casas, cried after the French demanded that he accept a Frenchman as king?
This hook would need to be reviewed by someone else though. Surtsicna (talk) 16:56, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Battle of Tinzaouaten (2024)
- ... that the Battle of Tinzaouaten likely saw the Wagner Group's largest death toll in Mali since its deployment there in 2021?
- Source: Bloomberg
- ALT1: ... that Ukraine's Main Directorate of Intelligence said that it provided Tuareg rebels assistance that enabled their victory in a battle against Wagner Group mercenaries in Mali?
- Source: The Guardian
- Reviewed:
Chomik! (talk?) 17:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC).
- @Chomik: can you pick a hook that's more definitive? "Likely" sounds ambiguous and usually requires attribution.VR (Please ping on reply) 14:07, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Vice regent: most sources agree that this was the Wagner Group's biggest loss in Mali ([9] [10] [11]) but I'm not sure if it would be acceptable to remove the word "likely" since there's no confirmed death toll. If not, I could change the hook to be about Ukraine's involvement. Chomik! (talk?) 14:35, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- If the toll is not confirmed best not to use it as a hook. Ukraine's involvement does sound more interesting.VR (Please ping on reply) 16:17, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Vice regent: added an alt hook about Ukraine. Chomik! (talk?) 17:02, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- It looks good as it is. I would prefer "that Ukraine said it provided Tuareg rebels with assistance in their successful ambush of Wagner Group mercenaries in Mali?" As I said on talk this was more of an ambush. But I think your alt is fine too.VR (Please ping on reply) 22:27, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Vice regent: added an alt hook about Ukraine. Chomik! (talk?) 17:02, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- If the toll is not confirmed best not to use it as a hook. Ukraine's involvement does sound more interesting.VR (Please ping on reply) 16:17, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:59, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Patrick J. Hessian
- ... that Patrick J. Hessian (pictured) was one of four alumni of Saint Paul Seminary in St. Paul, Minnesota to become the Chief of Chaplains of the United States Army?
- ALT1: ... that Patrick J. Hessian (pictured), along with Patrick J. Ryan, Francis L. Sampson, and Donald W. Shea, was one four alumni of Saint Paul Seminary to become the Chief of Chaplains of the United States Army? Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20150912110512/http://www.stthomas.edu/media/spssod/pdfs/oracle/2015WinterOracle.pdf http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Chief_of_Chaplains_of_the_United_States_Army
- ALT2: ... that Patrick J. Hessian, the 16th Chief of Chaplains of the United States Army, earned the Soldier's Medal for disarming a suicidal soldier who was holding a live grenade with the pin pulled? Source: Coleman, Nick (Sep 14, 2007). "Monsignor was the face of God in war's inferno". Star Tribune. Retrieved 28 July 2024.
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Can individually source each of the chaplain's alumnus status if need be
~Darth StabroTalk/Contribs 04:07, 28 July 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on July 29
[edit]Auckland Central in the 2020 New Zealand general election
- ... that Chlöe Swarbrick won the race for Auckland Central in the 2020 New Zealand general election, the first time a Green candidate had won an electorate without major party endorsement?
- Source: "The Green MP was still pinching herself today after claiming her party's second-ever electorate seat and the first without a major party endorsement." link
- Reviewed:
TheLoyalOrder (talk) 10:38, 31 July 2024 (UTC).
- Reviewing this. On first look, the "Declined" section has to have a ref. I suppose the "Declared" section does not need a separate ref as those are the same people in the "Results" section but other people may think otherwise. In the "Background" section, the background ref has to have a ref on electoral system. Full review to come later. Howard the Duck (talk) 04:51, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Kia ora, I have done the things in this comment.TheLoyalOrder (talk) 09:50, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, due to unforeseen personal circumstances, I won't be able to continue the review. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:04, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, I'd be interested in taking over this review if needed @Howard the Duck:. Ornithoptera (talk) 07:28, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, no worries! Howard the Duck (talk) 11:37, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, I'd be interested in taking over this review if needed @Howard the Duck:. Ornithoptera (talk) 07:28, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, due to unforeseen personal circumstances, I won't be able to continue the review. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:04, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Kia ora, I have done the things in this comment.TheLoyalOrder (talk) 09:50, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed; Ornithoptera, are you still interested in doing one? BlueMoonset (talk) 10:28, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, my apologies BlueMoonset, been away from Wiki a bit due to a loss in the family. Since things have winded down, I'll try and look at the article later this week. Apologies for any inconvenience caused. Ornithoptera (talk) 00:27, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Codex Basiliensis A. N. IV. 1
- ... that Codex Basiliensis A. N. IV. 1, a manuscript of the New Testament, was marked with red chalk for it to be used as a page-template for the first published printed edition of the New Testament?
- Source: Scrivener, Frederick Henry Ambrose; Edward Miller (1894). A Plain Introduction to the Criticism of the New Testament. Vol. 1 (4th ed.). London: George Bell & Sons. p. 191.
- Reviewed:
Stephen Walch (talk) 20:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC).
- The hook as currently written may be too specialist for general readers; as in, it may be hard to understand for those unfamiliar with the relevant fields (in this case, Biblical studies). The hook fact itself might still have potential, it's just that the hook probably needs rephrasing. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:25, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- How about:
- that a manuscript of the New Testament called Codex Basiliensis A. N. IV. 1, was used as a page-template for the first published printed edition of the New Testament by its editor, Desiderius Erasmus Roterodamus?
- Or:
- that Desiderius Erasmus Roterodamus used Codex Basiliensis A. N. IV. 1 as a page template for his first published printed edition of the New Testament, marking it with red chalk?
- Want to try and get a mention of the red-chalk marks in if possible :D Stephen Walch (talk) 14:57, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- I still think the hook is rather specialist or too reliant on being familiar with Biblical studies. I'm not sure who else to ask for help with, so I'll see if I can ask for help over at WT:DYK regarding a hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:46, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- I cannot grasp the importance of the red chalk from either the hook or the article. From the article, red chalk was used to mark changes, by one or more people. What makes this so unusual that it is worth mentioning in the hook? Did texts not often get changes, or is there something unusual about the material? CMD (talk) 10:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- @User:Chipmunkdavis - Ancient manuscripts aren't usually written on or marked up by anyone these days: the idea that someone would mark or deface an artefact fills most modern people with dread; that a written manuscript of the NT was, to quote Scrivener, "barbarously scored with red chalk" is quite telling of this even from the 19th century. The MS and how it was used is also very important in the history of printed books, as this was the manuscript used for the first ever published printed Greek NT. Evidently I need to think of a how to word the hook to get this across. :) Stephen Walch (talk) 14:20, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- I cannot grasp the importance of the red chalk from either the hook or the article. From the article, red chalk was used to mark changes, by one or more people. What makes this so unusual that it is worth mentioning in the hook? Did texts not often get changes, or is there something unusual about the material? CMD (talk) 10:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 30
[edit]Queer advocacy in the Israel–Hamas War
- ... that queer pro-Palestinian protesters faced off against the 2024 Philadelphia Pride drumline?
- ALT1: ... that pro-Palestinian queer groups have been alternatively called "chickens for KFC" or as fighting against pinkwashing? Source: https://www.them.us/story/lgbtq-solidarity-palestine-saed-atshan
- ALT2: ... that Dyke marches during 2024 have called out conflicts in Palestine, Congo, Ethiopia, Haiti, Myanmar, Sudan and Ukraine? Source: https://truthout.org/articles/queer-activists-are-making-bds-a-key-question-of-pride-this-year/
- Reviewed:
Bluethricecreamman (talk) 05:18, 5 August 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review, but ALT1 is the best hook here, and would be better if it was truncated at "KFC".--Launchballer 21:09, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't agree, it comes off as unduly promoting one side without covering the opposing perspective. Although it is usually not be possible to give all context in a dyk, one should at least attempt not to be one-sided. Part of the problem is that the article never really covers the central reason for the protests. It does cover disputes about the status of LGBT Palestinians but not the overall war/genocide that is generating the protest to begin with. (t · c) buidhe 05:04, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Alright. I put in an excerpt template to the war protest article and used that to populate a background. There might be a better way to include the context of what folks are protesting. Much of the news coverage for queers for palestine remains focused on the spectacle instead of actual purpose and intent, unfortunately, which makes it hard to include motives without going to broader protests. Feel free to suggest/do something different! Bluethricecreamman (talk) 06:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
1990 Serbian general election
- ... that the 1990 Serbian general election elected only two women to the National Assembly of Serbia? Source: Stokić, Ljubiša B. (1994). Demokratija i osvajanje vlasti: izbori u Srbiji 1990 [Democracy and the conquest of power: the elections in Serbia in 1990] (in Serbian). Belgrade: Zenit. p. 624. ISBN 86-81987-06-2.
- ALT1: ... that in the 1990 Serbian general election the Socialist Party of Serbia won 78% of seats despite only winning 48% of the popular vote? Source: Martinov, Zlatoje (2000). U podnožju demokratskih propileja: Izbori u Srbiji, 1990–2000 [At the pedestal of the democratic propylaea: Elections in Serbia, 1990–2000] (in Serbian). Belgrade: Republika. p. 26. OCLC 50410508.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/1978 Gilbertese Chief Minister election
- Comment: The only issue that might pop up in this DYK nomination is the timespan of the expansion. I began expanding the article on 8 July when it was at 22k. Now, on 30 July, the article is at 177k. The article met the 5x criteria on 15 July, when it reached 112k, but was not finished. If this is really strict, I won't have any problems with the DYK being rejected now, considering that the article is up for GAN so I'll re-nominate it for DYK once it passes the GA review sometime in the future.
Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 12:55, 30 July 2024 (UTC).
Apple (song)
- ... that a viral dance for Charli XCX's "Apple", in which performers mimic driving a car, was performed by #Amishtiktok content creators? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/music/article/2024/jul/28/apple-dance-charli-xcx-brat-tiktok
Launchballer 10:33, 30 July 2024 (UTC).
- I can't escape this damn album... well let me review what you've got :)
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- I know many Amish families famously disavow all modern forms of technology (though as with any religion there is internal diversity), so there is potential here. However, some tweaking can be done, removing a couple of unnecessary information. Do we need to specify the title of the song, or the platform where the dance went viral? Wrt the article itself, I have some concerns - what makes neonmusic.com, Resident Advisor, and Whynow RS? Furthermore, the article uses two student newspapers. Once these are addressed, I will be glad to look at the hook again. Elias / PSA 🏕️🪐 [please make some noise] 05:44, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Neonmusic has a proper editorial structure in place, so I'm inclined to trust it. The rest are all attributed opinion. (Whynow and Resident Advisor don't put theirs on their website, however google tells me they both have editors.) Student media "can sometimes be considered reliable on other topics". ALT0a: ... that a viral dance in which performers mimic driving a car was performed by Amish content creators?--Launchballer 07:04, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer, RSSM also says that "professional sources are typically preferred when available." Surely given the big cultural moment Brat is going through, there are more reliable, professional reviews you can use to replace those student publications. Wrt hook, I would highlight that it was a viral dance from the Internet: perhaps ALT0b: ...that some of the many participants of a recent Internet dance challenge were Amish people? Elias / PSA 🏕️🪐 [please make some noise] 08:00, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't agree that existence of other coverage has any bearing on whether the student publications should be included. For what they're being used for, i.e. attributed opinion, they're fine. You're right that there is lots of extra coverage of Brat, however Apple wasn't released as a single until very recently and all of the critical reception predates the song going viral, so there's much less of it than you'd think. Surprisingly few critics mentioned it as a highlight. (Much of the coverage went on some of the tracks that actually were singles; most of the hits for ""charli xcx" brat review apple" include phrases like "Apple Music" and "Fiona Apple".) I've added one more WP:EXPERTSPS which I missed when I looked the first time. (You'd need a second reviewer for ALT0b as neither of my hooks mention when the track was released, and I'm tempted to ask them about this as well.)--Launchballer 08:36, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- I see @Ss112: has removed the student reviews. I don't agree with their removal, but I don't feel strongly enough to put them back.--Launchballer 05:17, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- @PSA: Does the above address your concerns, and is this approved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 19:40, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Z1720 @Launchballer, sorry that I left this in the backburner for quite a while - school had just started and I had to stay away from editing for a bit to keep focus. Now that I'm freer these days though, I looked at the article again and am glad to see the critical reception has been changed to reflect the comments. On that end, it LGTM, but since I proposed another hook myself I might need to get a second opinion . Elias / PSA 🏕️🪐 [please make some noise] 02:49, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- @PSA: Does the above address your concerns, and is this approved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 19:40, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- I see @Ss112: has removed the student reviews. I don't agree with their removal, but I don't feel strongly enough to put them back.--Launchballer 05:17, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't agree that existence of other coverage has any bearing on whether the student publications should be included. For what they're being used for, i.e. attributed opinion, they're fine. You're right that there is lots of extra coverage of Brat, however Apple wasn't released as a single until very recently and all of the critical reception predates the song going viral, so there's much less of it than you'd think. Surprisingly few critics mentioned it as a highlight. (Much of the coverage went on some of the tracks that actually were singles; most of the hits for ""charli xcx" brat review apple" include phrases like "Apple Music" and "Fiona Apple".) I've added one more WP:EXPERTSPS which I missed when I looked the first time. (You'd need a second reviewer for ALT0b as neither of my hooks mention when the track was released, and I'm tempted to ask them about this as well.)--Launchballer 08:36, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer, RSSM also says that "professional sources are typically preferred when available." Surely given the big cultural moment Brat is going through, there are more reliable, professional reviews you can use to replace those student publications. Wrt hook, I would highlight that it was a viral dance from the Internet: perhaps ALT0b: ...that some of the many participants of a recent Internet dance challenge were Amish people? Elias / PSA 🏕️🪐 [please make some noise] 08:00, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Neonmusic has a proper editorial structure in place, so I'm inclined to trust it. The rest are all attributed opinion. (Whynow and Resident Advisor don't put theirs on their website, however google tells me they both have editors.) Student media "can sometimes be considered reliable on other topics". ALT0a: ... that a viral dance in which performers mimic driving a car was performed by Amish content creators?--Launchballer 07:04, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 31
[edit]Teodoro Asedillo
- ... that a former policeman and teacher became a labor leader?
- Source: PSSR (in Filipino)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Owha
- Comment: Gained permission from NyanThousand in his talk page.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
04:33, 5 August 2024 (UTC).
- Can I propose an alt? Something like "... that a former teacher in the Philippines became a Robin Hood-like outlaw?" since I think that was what he's best known for. NyanThousand (talk) 07:19, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- In DYK, anyone can propose an alt, and your alt seems more interesting, im going to accept it.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
08:27, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- In DYK, anyone can propose an alt, and your alt seems more interesting, im going to accept it.
Yahya Al Ghotany
- ... that Olympic taekwondo practitioner Yahya Al Ghotany learned the sport "by chance" at a refugee camp?
- Source: The Korea Times ("he and his family have been sheltering in the Azraq refugee camp ... It was there where he, the first in a family of seven children, discovered taekwondo 'by chance.' His friend at the camp told him about the taekwondo course offered by the Taekwondo Humanitarian Foundation (THF) in 2016. That is how he got into the sport, without knowing it would completely change his life.")
BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:16, 31 July 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: review ongoing; Given that from the sources you know his age at a point in time, you may want to use the template that allows you to identify his birth year range (and age range I believe) within the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7000:2101:AA00:EDD1:6EEC:9F54:77B2 (talk) 7:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: Please address the above and provide the QPQ. Z1720 (talk) 00:31, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: This nomination has been open for more than a week and a QPQ has not been supplied. The review indicated that a QPQ was necessary, and I sent a ping two days ago; the editor has been editing on other pages but has not supplied the QPQ. Per WP:QPQ, I am marking this nomination for closure. Z1720 (talk) 04:01, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'll make sure to get it done later today. BeanieFan11 (talk) 12:28, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- @2603:7000:2101:AA00:EDD1:6EEC:9F54:77B2: Apologies for the delay. QPQ added. It seems someone else did the age part. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:51, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'll make sure to get it done later today. BeanieFan11 (talk) 12:28, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: This nomination has been open for more than a week and a QPQ has not been supplied. The review indicated that a QPQ was necessary, and I sent a ping two days ago; the editor has been editing on other pages but has not supplied the QPQ. Per WP:QPQ, I am marking this nomination for closure. Z1720 (talk) 04:01, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Review needs to be completed now that QPQ is submitted. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:02, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 1
[edit]Rabbinic period
- ... that during most of the Rabbinic period, starting in the aftermath of the Bar Kokhba revolt, the center of Jewish life in the Eastern Mediterranean shifted from the now-destroyed Judea to the Galilee?
- Source: Aharon Openheimer, Rebuilding the Jewish Community in the Galilee, in Z. Baras, S. Safrai, M. Stern, Y. Tsafrir (editors), Eretz Israel from the destruction of the Second Temple to the Muslim Conquest, volume one, Jerusalem : Yad Ben Zvi, 1982, ISBN 9652170062 (Hebrew), pages 75-92.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations
Dovidroth (talk) 10:17, 7 August 2024 (UTC).
Kayangan Lake
- ... that Kayangan Lake, located in Coron Island, is regarded as the cleanest lake in Asia?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Oedipus (opera)
- Comment: Gained permission to nom this by DarkNight0917.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
04:41, 5 August 2024 (UTC).
- I will do a full review of this later, but for now my main concern is the hook. The claim of it being the cleanest lake in Asia is an exceptional claim, so per WP:DYKHOOK and WP:EXCEPTIONAL would require exceptional sourcing. Right now the article uses The Straits Times as the source for the fact: it is yellow on WP:RSP, which generally means it is to be used with caution on Wikipedia, and its suitability is a case-by-case thing. In this case, it may not be completely safe for it to be what supports the source. Either more independent or stronger sourcing should be found, or a different hook be proposed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:43, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, propose this one: ALT1:... that a tribe performed rituals in a lake to let outsiders use it? Source:TST this hook uses the Straits times, let me know if it's okay or not.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
12:36, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1 should be okay as the article isn't about the Singaporean government and there's no reason to doubt that the ST is unreliable in this case. The main issue right now is that part of the article appears to be a close paraphrase of the Straits Times article, so that needs urgent attention. The sourcing in the article isn't the best since it seems to rely on tourist guide websites, but for the purpose of the article it probably isn't disqualifying since they aren't used to support contentious information. As for the rest of the DYK checks, the article is new enough and long enough and a QPQ has been provided. In addition for the need to resolve the close paraphrasing, the article could also use a copyedit. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:05, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- One final suggestion: as the claim of it being the cleanest lake in Asia is an exceptional claim, and I do not believe that the sources provided are exceptional sources, my suggestion would be to make the statement in the article less definitive. Something like "The Straits Times stated that the lake is reputed..." or wording to that effect. Maybe Launchballer can help out here with the wording and copyediting? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:58, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- A possible alternate wording of ALT1, if for whatever reason it does not pass scrutiny, could be something like:
- ALT3 ... that prior to allowing outsiders to visit Kayangan Lake, the Tagbanwa tribe performed a ritual to seek permission from nature spirits?
- It's much longer than ALT2 and I think ALT2 is still suitable, this is just a backup option. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:01, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- I will take a look at this when I'm done with Talk:Megan Barton-Hanson/GA1, and I'll get to that when I'm feeling a little more clear-headed. (There's clearly something big there I'm not seeing.)--Launchballer 13:48, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- I am really not liking some of the sources used in this article - Journey Era, Philippinetravels.ph, and Richandsunnytravels.ph are all WP:SPS blogs and Guidetothephilippines.ph is a travel agency. What makes them reliable?--Launchballer 14:45, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- They're travel websites that give information about the subject. They aren't ideal, but it's often the case that coverage about less well-known Philippine destinations are lacking. As long as they aren't being used to support contentious information, as in what they're saying is uncontroversial and unlikely to be made up, I don't necessarily see them as a problem for DYK purposes. This isn't aiming for FA or even GA. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:08, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Having said that, the claim of it being the cleanest lake in Asia is an exceptional claim, and I'm not comfortable with how it is currently presented as a fact in the article. As stated above, my suggestion would be for it to be attributed to the Straits Times, while also making the presentation less definite. If this isn't addressed, I can't see this article running on DYK since that statement will likely be challenged at WT:DYK and/or WP:ERRORS. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:57, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- @TheNuggeteer: Please address the concerns raised above; the nomination may be marked for closure if they are not resolved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:09, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- I am really not liking some of the sources used in this article - Journey Era, Philippinetravels.ph, and Richandsunnytravels.ph are all WP:SPS blogs and Guidetothephilippines.ph is a travel agency. What makes them reliable?--Launchballer 14:45, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- I will take a look at this when I'm done with Talk:Megan Barton-Hanson/GA1, and I'll get to that when I'm feeling a little more clear-headed. (There's clearly something big there I'm not seeing.)--Launchballer 13:48, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
Done, added note. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
13:55, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Zero-emission zone in Oxford
- ... that buses in Oxford accounted for as much as 80% of pollution in the city centre before the low emission zone was launched in 2014?
- Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-25557090 "The LEZ [low emission zone] will only apply to buses which account for up 80% of the pollution in the city centre"
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Should be good as this article is just above 1500 characters. My third article.
JuniperChill (talk) 08:57, 2 August 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review, but there was an excellent piece in Roads.org.uk that talks about this. I'll leave it to you to decide whether he constitutes an WP:EXPERTSPS or not.--Launchballer 09:45, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ah yes, I never thought about reading that article. It's very useful for readers. I have heard of roads.org.uk but never thought about them publishing a ZEZ article. JuniperChill (talk) 11:43, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- You might want to do something about the unsourced content in this. (I don't plan on reviewing this any time soon as I review oldest first, but I might pop in and expand it once I've finished the stuff on my to-do list.)--Launchballer 12:16, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- @JuniperChill: Not a full review, but I have tagged the article with two "citation needed" tags. These need to be resolved before this nomination can be approved. Z1720 (talk) 03:54, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Z1720: I added two references to replace the {{cn}}. Should be good JuniperChill (talk) 09:38, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- @JuniperChill: Not a full review, but I have tagged the article with two "citation needed" tags. These need to be resolved before this nomination can be approved. Z1720 (talk) 03:54, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- You might want to do something about the unsourced content in this. (I don't plan on reviewing this any time soon as I review oldest first, but I might pop in and expand it once I've finished the stuff on my to-do list.)--Launchballer 12:16, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have modified the hook for what happened after buses accounted for up to 80%. JuniperChill (talk) 15:17, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 2
[edit]Ani ni Aisaresugite Komattemasu
- ... that the creator of the manga series Ani ni Aisaresugite Komattemasu made the main characters realize they were not blood-related siblings early in the story so that she could focus on their romance?
- ALT1: ... that the creator of the manga series Ani ni Aisaresugite Komattemasu felt the only way she could give the main characters a "happy ending" was for them to not be blood-related siblings? Source: https://natalie.mu/comic/pp/sho-comi50th_01
- ALT2: ... that the creator of the manga series Ani ni Aisaresugite Komattemasu named a character after an original character that appeared in the live-action adaptations? Source: https://natalie.mu/comic/pp/sho-comi50th_01
- ALT3: ... that the creator of the manga series Ani ni Aisaresugite Komattemasu owed the fast pace of the series to the semi-monthly release schedule of Sho-Comi? Source: https://natalie.mu/comic/pp/sho-comi50th_01
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ai Uta
lullabying (talk) 09:45, 4 August 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on August 3
[edit]Asik-Asik Falls
- ... that the Asik-Asik Falls (pictured) were accidentally discovered?
- Source: INQUIRER
ALT1: ... that the Asik-Asik Falls (pictured) became viral after its discovery?Source: INQUIRER-2ALT2: ... that a picture of the Asik-Asik Falls (pictured) won a picture contest?Source: INQUIRER-2- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kimi wa Bara yori Utsukushī
- Comment: Accepted by the author.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
09:05, 6 August 2024 (UTC).
- Here are some more alt hooks:
- ALT3: ... that you can't see what feeds the Asik-Asik Falls (pictured)? Source: INQUIRER-2
- ALT4: ... the Asik-Asik Falls (pictured) aren't fed by a visible source? Source: INQUIRER-2
These are kind of what the falls are really known for, so I think that these would be more interesting. - DarkNight0917 (talk / contr) 23:57, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
new enough, long enough, image is fine, qpq done. some concerns:
- on the verge of rejecting alt0; to discover something, by definition, has to be an accident.
- rejecting alt1; not mentioned in article. also, readers won't know what it means for a waterfall to go viral. it was an image of the falls that went viral, and that's uninteresting, a lot of things go viral.
- rejecting alt2; uninteresting (and probably undue to mention in the article).
- alt3/4's source says that
Where the water comes from is still a mystery.
it's not visible, yes, but it's also not known, unless there's something i'm missing.
- refs 2, 3, and 7 are travel guides/blogs; are these reliable?
It receives over 500 tourists on weekdays and 1,000 on weekends
is cited to a 2014 source and probably outdated
ltbdl☃ (talk) 07:30, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Don't know what's wrong with alt3 and 4, the blogs are reliable since these are usually for expansion and regularly do no harm in DYK. Fixed the outdated thing by adding a note.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
13:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Don't know what's wrong with alt3 and 4, the blogs are reliable since these are usually for expansion and regularly do no harm in DYK. Fixed the outdated thing by adding a note.
MV Don Claudio
- ... that a ferry saved 26 people from the MV Doña Paz after seeing a ball of fire?
- Source: UPI
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sitting Bull and Buffalo Bill
- Comment: Will do the QPQ after the review.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
06:44, 3 August 2024 (UTC).
- Comment only: the hook appears to be saying that the ferry saw the fire. Surely, you mean that someone aboard the ferry saw the fire? Schwede66 02:22, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- The article says the officers and captain saw the fire, probably making it the ferry itself?
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
03:51, 8 August 2024 (UTC)- that's not really how english works, how about
- ALT0a: that a ferry saved 26 people from the MV Doña Paz after the ferry's crew saw a ball of fire? ltbdl☃ (talk) 07:52, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- that's not really how english works, how about
- The article says the officers and captain saw the fire, probably making it the ferry itself?
- Hmm, okay.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
08:12, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm, okay.
Articles created/expanded on August 4
[edit]Laurence Patrick Lee
- ... that New Zealand mathematician Laurence Patrick Lee worked his way to England to find a cure for his stammer and was speaking normally after just 18 minutes of instruction?
- Source: "N.Z. Man Cured Of Stammering By British 'Expert' ", Greymouth Evening Star, 11 Dec 1950, [N.Z.P.A. SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT], "When Mr L. P. Lee [...] read in a Jersey newspaper that Mr William C. Kerr, M.A., of St Helier, had discovered a cure for stammering he decided to get a year's leave of absence from the Lands and Survey Department and to work his way to England. ¶ Lee had been stammering all his life and he felt that Mr Kerr could help him. He worked as engineer’s steward in the Trojan Star, arrived in England on November 13 and 18 minutes after seeing Mr Kerr on November 18 he was speaking normally. ¶ Recorded Proof ¶ Mr Kerr took a recording of Lee stammering the date and time before instructing him. He took a second recording 18 minutes later with Lee now stating the date and time without stammering.
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Alternate hooks could talk about his map projections (and could include map pictures, if a picture is needed), but this story seemed like a better human interest hook.
–jacobolus (t) 00:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on August 5
[edit]Rico Krieger
- ... that German national Rico Krieger was likely forced by the KGB to lie in a state-televised plead titled "Confession of a German terrorist"? (Source)
- ALT1: ... that despite being the first foreigner to be charged as a mercenary in Belarus, Rico Krieger was likely never a member of the Kastuś Kalinoŭski Regiment? (Source 1 and Source 2)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sacred Heart Cathedral, Kaifeng
Johnson524 05:31, 10 August 2024 (UTC).
Joanna Ferrone
- ... that Joanna Ferrone served as the business manager for the fictional character Fido Dido?
- Source: "For Ms. Ferrone, 39, serving as Fido's business manager has been a chance to do something that had more to do with my feelings about my life, she said. I was looking for something that would be more fun and more creative and that would put out a healthy, positive message." Freitag, Michael (3 September 1989). "STYLEMAKERS; Susan Rose and Joanna Ferrone - Entrepreneurs". The New York Times. Archived from the original on 7 November 2020. Retrieved 5 August 2024.
- Reviewed: Winzar Kakiouea
- Comment: Thank you in advance to the review!
I'll be working on the QPQ later today!
Ornithoptera (talk) 01:34, 10 August 2024 (UTC).
- @Ornithoptera: Please provide a QPQ, or this nomination may be closed as incomplete. Z1720 (talk) 19:32, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Z1720: Thank you for the reminder, it got busy these past few days so I was unable to do so. Just completed the QPQ on my end! Ornithoptera (talk) 22:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Maita Sanchez
- ... that before entering politics, Girlie Ejercito, also known as Maita Sanchez, had a career in acting and later served as the mayor of Pagsanjan, Laguna, for nine years? Source: https://www.pep.ph/pepalerts/cabinet-files/161169/er-ejercito-girlie-ejercito-mayor-laguna-a734-20211005
- Reviewed:
Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 12:34, 9 August 2024 (UTC).
- The current hook is wordy and difficult to read, so here's a reword:
- ALT1 ... that Maita Sanchez, who served as mayor of Pagsanjan, Laguna from 2010 to 2019, had an acting career before entering politics?
- Given how it's not that uncommon for actors to become politicians (and the Philippines has many, many examples of this), I will leave it to another editor to see if the fact meets WP:DYKINT. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:46, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- I've given this some thought, and unfortunately there are two issues with the nomination. One is that Sanchez being a former actress is not uncommon or unusual in the context of the Philippines. Second, there's currently nothing else in the article that would work as a hook. With that in mind, the nomination is marked for closure as simply not being a fit for DYK at this time. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:13, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I think being a former Actor and mayor is normal in the Philippines, but being a mayor for 9 years is pretty unusual, can you maybe rethink this?
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
12:42, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Being a mayor in the Philippines for 9 years or even longer is far from unusual; in fact, it's actually the norm in many places, especially with entrenched political dynasties. Like a politician serves three terms, then swaps out a position with a relative, then returns to their original post for another three terms. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:48, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I think being a former Actor and mayor is normal in the Philippines, but being a mayor for 9 years is pretty unusual, can you maybe rethink this?
Liberalism in the Philippines
- ... that liberalism in the Philippines was mostly used during revolutions?
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
04:36, 7 August 2024 (UTC).
Abortion in Senegal
- ... that Senegal, where abortion is illegal, is known as a "pioneer" of post-abortion care?
- Source: [14] Suh explores how anxieties about the MVA kit's capacity to induce abortion, which is illegal in Senegal, have constrained its integration into routine care. Dubbed the "PAC pioneer of West Africa," Senegal is celebrated for having been among the first countries to decentralize post-abortion care from large urban hospitals to smaller facilities in rural areas.
— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 16:35, 6 August 2024 (UTC).
- I have included this article in a multi-article DYK nom with two other articles. I would prefer the hook at Template:Did you know nominations/Abortion in Africa. If this individual hook is approved, I can remove Senegal from that one. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 17:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Sienna Green
- ... that at 193 centimetres (6 ft 4 in) tall, Australian Olympic water polo player Sienna Green is the tallest person in her family?
- Reviewed: National Hospital Service Reserve
- Comment: Nominated on behalf of an IP editor who will (as usual) provide the QPQ.
Schwede66 11:06, 6 August 2024 (UTC).
- Update: QPQ now added (just so that it doesn't get overlooked). Schwede66 23:47, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Any better hook than this? Being that tall isn't always uncommon depending on where you're from. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:58, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: Pinging for possible additional hooks. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:25, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- I can't see a better hook than that. If we don't hear from 2603:7000:2101:AA00:5DFC:4931:AA8F:8FB5 within a few days, I suggest you close that. Schwede66 00:52, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Sugar Dog Life
- ... that the author of Sugar Dog Life made one of the main characters a police officer so that there could be a height difference?
- ALT1: ... that the author of Sugar Dog Life ended up buying and raising cacti after drawing it in the manga? Source: https://www.chil-chil.net/compNewsDetail/k/801authors108/no/22809/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Choco Togo
lullabying (talk) 04:30, 6 August 2024 (UTC).
CyberJoly Drim
- ... that an early Polish cyberpunk short story, "CyberJoly Drim" from 1998, aroused a significant controversy in the Polish sf and fantasy community? Source: https://ejournals.eu/pliki_artykulu_czasopisma/pelny_tekst/3d32c44d-af77-4c7d-9404-a10a190a3a2c/pobierz
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:49, 5 August 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on August 6
[edit]Statue of Yakushi Nyorai (Jingo-ji)
- ... that an 8th century wood sculpture of the Medicine Buddha never left its temple grounds until July 2024 to commemorate the 1200th anniversary of the temple's founding in Tokyo?
- ALT1: ... that to commemorate the founding of Shingon Buddhism, an image of Bhaisajyaguru, the Medicine Buddha, left its temple for the first time in over 1200 years to be on special exhibit? Source: https://www.tnm.jp/modules/r_free_page/index.php?id=2649
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Perugia's limia
NeverBeGameOver (talk) 14:56, 13 August 2024 (UTC).
Armond Seidler
- ... that although Armond Seidler invented the pugil stick for military training purposes, it later found use in the television show American Gladiators?
- ALT1: ... that educator Armond "Army" Seidler owned a sailboat which he named "Army's Navy"? Source: [17]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Radiosoul
- Comment: prefer ALT0 heavily
Kimikel (talk) 00:15, 7 August 2024 (UTC).
Midland Main Line upgrade
- ... that that the electrification of the Midland Main Line north of Kettering was revived in December 2021 after being paused in 2015, then scrapped in July 2017?
- Source: paused scrapped in 2017, then revived
- ALT1: ... that the Midland Main Line electrification project is going at a "snail's pace"? Source: https://westbridgfordwire.com/midland-mainline-electrification-by-2030-in-government-plans/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Azahriah
- Comment: My fifth nomination and I need a QPQ for the first time. Luckily, I did that a few months ago. Also, my first GA article, though I didn't make that
JuniperChill (talk) 20:52, 6 August 2024 (UTC).
- What's surprising or interesting about this hook? "Infrastructure project delayed" is not surprising anywhere in the world, especially an Anglophone country. (t · c) buidhe 04:55, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hopefully this is more interesting, but idk if the wording is the best.
- Alt2: "that when the Midland Main Line was first electrified in the 1980s between London and Bedford, driver-only operation was introduced, leading to industrial dispute?" JuniperChill (talk) 18:03, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Clay Webb
... that Clay Webb was named in a lawsuit concerning bullying that occurred when he was in high school?
- Source: [1]
ALT1: ... that Clay Webb once allegedly encouraged a minor to drink a bottle filled with Webb's semen? Source: [2]- Reviewed:
- Comment: I think the secondary hook grabs your attention more, but I can understand if it is denied because of the vulgar nature concerning it.
TarheelBornBred (talk) 13:10, 6 August 2024 (UTC).
- ALT1 definitely breaches WP:DYKHOOKBLP, probably ALT0 also, and I'd question the WP:DUEness of that entire section per WP:SUSPECT.--Launchballer 22:16, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- @TarheelBornBred: This needs a new hook.--Launchballer 22:01, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe ALT2: ... that Clay Webb, a five-star recruit from the class of 2019, was named a preseason All-American in 2024? [3] The interesting nature being that it took him from 2019 to 2024 which is an abnormally long stretch of time in college football already. Truthfully, I had the original hook in mind as the main selling point, but I can understand why it won't work. TarheelBornBred (talk) 16:35, 19 August 2024 (UTC).
- Full review needed.--Launchballer 19:39, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- @TarheelBornBred: More of a comment for now rather than a review, but the issue with ALT2 is that it might not meet WP:DYKINT. A reader unfamiliar with college football and its intricacies may not get what "five-star recruit" and "All-American" are, especially if they are outside of America like the majority of readers. Ideally, a hook should be as understandable to as many people as possible without requiring too much context, and I don't think the hook meets that. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:44, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note that I have struck the original hook as the parts about the bullying are no longer in the article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:13, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- @TarheelBornBred: More of a comment for now rather than a review, but the issue with ALT2 is that it might not meet WP:DYKINT. A reader unfamiliar with college football and its intricacies may not get what "five-star recruit" and "All-American" are, especially if they are outside of America like the majority of readers. Ideally, a hook should be as understandable to as many people as possible without requiring too much context, and I don't think the hook meets that. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:44, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed.--Launchballer 19:39, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ Jackson, Lily (January 3, 2020). "Alleged high school prank, bullying leads to federal suit against former Oxford 5-star recruit". AL.com. Retrieved August 5, 2024.
- ^ Jackson, Lily (January 3, 2020). "Alleged high school prank, bullying leads to federal suit against former Oxford 5-star recruit". AL.com. Retrieved August 5, 2024.
- ^ Londergan, Joe (July 3, 2024). "Jacksonville State Gamecocks' Lineman Named Preseason All-American". Sports Illustrated. Retrieved August 5, 2024.
Articles created/expanded on August 7
[edit]Jordan Sepho
- ... that Olympic gold medalist rugby player Jordan Sepho said that he vomited from stress the first time he played?
- Source: Actu.fr ("Rugby - Sevens Series à Toulouse. Jordan Sepho : 'Mon premier match, j'ai vomi de stress'" [Rugby - Sevens Series in Toulouse. Jordan Sepho: “My first match, I threw up from stress"])
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/1988–89 Barcelona Atlétic femenino season
- Comment: Technically the expansion started on August 7, which would mean that it is two days late: hoping for an extension as allowed by Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines (
The seven-day limit can be extended for a day or two upon request.
). I think that someone who started their career like that went on to win a gold medal at the Olympics is interesting; open to other ways of wording the hook.
BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:58, 16 August 2024 (UTC).
AMES Type 6
- ... that during the Tunisian campaign in WWII, crews carried an AMES Type 6 radar set across a swamp to allow them to spy on Luftwaffe aircraft running supplies into Tunis? Source: RAF 2023
- Reviewed: Dani Sanchez-Lopez
Maury Markowitz (talk) 17:15, 7 August 2024 (UTC).
- @Maury Markowitz: Please contribute a QPQ, or this nomination may be closed as unsuccessful. Z1720 (talk) 14:32, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- A week after this nomination was made, and a reminder ping, no QPQ was supplied. Marking this for closure as incomplete. Z1720 (talk) 19:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have been in the bush (literally) since Sunday. I will do this shortly. Maury Markowitz (talk) 11:26, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 8
[edit]Amir Zakirov
- ... that in order to attend breakdancing classes as a child, future Olympian Amir Zakirov had to give up eating lunch?
- Source: Red Bull ("Amir's family didn’t have a lot of money, so he had to find a way to pay for the breaking class. He'd already been working from 10-years-old selling copper, so he had money from that, and then he scarified eating at school to have money for the breaking class. 'I used the money my parents gave me for lunch in school to pay for the breaking,' he says. 'Because of this I had stomach pains from not eating all day, making it really hard to concentrate in school, but I wanted to use this money for breaking.'")
BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:35, 15 August 2024 (UTC).
Valentin Bontus, Toni Vodišek
- ... that Valentin Bontus is the first-ever Olympic champion in Formula Kite?
- Source: first-ever champion
- ALT1: ... that Valentin Bontus won the first-ever Olympic gold medal in Formula Kite, while Toni Vodišek won the first silver? Source: same
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Shoko Ikeda / Template:Did you know nominations/William Aitken (architect) (1/4)
- Comment: ALT1 includes Toni Vodisek, the silver medalist, which I will expand soon.
BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:32, 15 August 2024 (UTC).
- @BeanieFan11: Two QPQs are required: please provide these as soon as possible. You also have a lot of nominations that need QPQs: this discussion is proposing that nominators be required to provide the QPQ at the time of the nomination. If this passes, it might cause your future nominations to be rejected if the QPQ is not provided when the nom is created. I suggest that you review DYK noms now, instead of creating even more nominations, so that none of your nominations are closed as incomplete. Z1720 (talk) 23:39, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sigh... have one done, will do the other and expand Vodisek tomorrow. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:56, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- QPQ 2 done / Vodisek expanded. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:26, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sigh... have one done, will do the other and expand Vodisek tomorrow. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:56, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
Punam Krishan
- ... that following a string of scandals, the contestants on the twenty second series of the BBC One celebrity dancing competition Strictly Come Dancing included a locum GP (pictured)? Source: https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/views/regulation/new-sessionals-welcome-on-board/ for 'locum'; https://news.sky.com/story/strictly-come-dancing-2024-go-compare-singer-wynne-evans-joins-line-up-13191912 for everything else
- ALT1: ... that Dr Punam Krishan (pictured) "learned the hard way to live without patient ‘satisfaction’"? Source: https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/views/regulation/ive-learned-the-hard-way-to-live-without-patient-satisfaction/
- ALT2: ... that Dr Punam Krishan (pictured) was raised on curry and Irn-Bru? Source: https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/17800808.dr-punam-krishan-reality-life-scottish-gp/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Chand Sifarish
- Comment:
The contestants for this show are being drip-fed, so I may add articles to this if anyone else lacks an article.(Update August 12: Lineup complete. Shame actually, there were rumours that Sunil Patel might have participated and he's a cryptoentrepreneur.) I'd suggest running this on the day the series starts, probably the 21st of September. (Update 30 August: 14th September, as they're running a special programme at the end of the series.)
Launchballer 11:22, 8 August 2024 (UTC).
- I didn't know what a "locum GP" is. Maybe that's a good thing, as it makes the first hook more "hooky". But can you clarify that in the lead of the article? Eg you can write "is a Scottish locum general practitioner (GP) from Glasgow." Also, in "Early life and medical career" please also clarify what's a "locum"? Might be helpful to link to Locum#United Kingdom healthcare.VR (Please ping on reply) 13:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- We have a (somewhat execrable) article about what locum GPs are at sessional GP, a term I've never heard of. I've made some edits to the article.--Launchballer 19:11, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 9
[edit]Ajah Pritchard-Lolo
- ... that Ajah Pritchard-Lolo is Vanuatu's first Olympic weightlifter?
- Source: Vanuatu Daily Post says she's the first female weightlifter; however, as per Olympedia, the nation has never had a male weightlifter, thus she is the first regardless of gender
BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:49, 16 August 2024 (UTC).
- @BeanieFan11: Please provide a QPQ as, per the ongoing discussion, consensus is leaning towards making QPQs mandatory at the time of the nomination and noms without QPQs may be closed without warning. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:51, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed now that QPQ has been provided.--Launchballer 20:19, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 10
[edit]Mokulubete Makatisi
- ... that Mokulubete Makatisi placed eighth at the Commonwealth Games in the marathon while running in shoes she had never worn before?
- Source: Public Eye News ("Makatisi, 26, finished the race on position eight in the women’s commonwealth marathon last Saturday ... Makatisi’s mentor ... says his athlete has tried very hard despite the setback of having to run in new shoes which she began to use for the first time on the day of the race.")
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/William Aitken (architect) (2/4)
BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:27, 17 August 2024 (UTC).
Oghul Qaimish
- ... that the regent of the Mongol Empire between 1248 and 1251 was named "We Were Searching for a Boy"?
- Source: Atwood 2004, p. 398.
- ALT1: ... that Oghul Qaimish, a regent of the Mongol Empire, was tortured and executed after being outmanoeuvred by her enemies? Source: For the regency and outmanoeuvering, see De Nicola 2022, pp. 426–427. For the torture and execution, see May 2018, p. 138; Broadbridge 2018, pp. 218–219.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Maxim Berezovsky
~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:51, 13 August 2024 (UTC).
Abortion in Africa, Abortion in Senegal, Abortion in Madagascar
... that in Africa, the only countries that have passed reproductive health laws without grounds for legal abortion are Senegal and Madagascar?
- Source: [18] Eleven Sub-Saharan countries have passed reproductive health laws, and nine of them specify grounds for legal abortion (the exceptions are Senegal and Madagascar).
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Upper Skagit Indian Tribe, Template:Did you know nominations/Mama (My Chemical Romance song), Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Neary's
- Comment: I proposed an individual hook at Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Abortion_in_Senegal, so cancel that one if this one is approved.
— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 17:12, 11 August 2024 (UTC).
- @Vigilantcosmicpenguin: The source specifies sub-Saharan Africa, so there could be theoretically countries in North Africa that have such laws which are not reflected and thus make the hook inadequate. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:22, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Right, thanks for pointing that out. I could just tweak the hook to specify Sub-Saharan Africa; I think it's still reasonable to link that to the article.
- ... that in Sub-Saharan Africa, the only countries that have passed reproductive health laws without grounds for legal abortion are Senegal and Madagascar?
- The article already specifies this, so it still passes that requirement. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 20:19, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Human history
- ... that the agricultural and industrial revolutions are key turning points in human history?
- Source: [1]
- ALT1: ... that in early human history, humans migrated out of Africa and populated most of the Earth during the Last Ice Age? Source: [2]
- ALT2: ... that for most of human history, children did not have access to public education? Source: [3]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Betty Hanley
- Comment:
References
- ^
- Cajani 2013, § Current Trends
- Christian 2008, pp. 102–103
- ^
- Christian 2015, pp. 316, 400, "Dispersal over an unprecedented swath of the globe...coincided with an Ice Age...by the end of the era of climatic fluctuation, humans occupied almost all the habitats their descendants occupy today"
- Pollack 2010, p. 93
- ^ Scott & Vare 2020, pp. 54–56
- Sources
- Cajani, Luigi (2013). "Periodization". In Bentley, Jerry H. (ed.). The Oxford Handbook of World History. Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0-19-968606-3.
- Christian, David (2008). This Fleeting World: A Short History of Humanity. Berkshire Publishing. ISBN 978-1-933782-04-1.
- Christian, David, ed. (2015). Introducing World History, to 10,000 BCE. The Cambridge World History. Vol. 1. Cambridge University Press. doi:10.1017/CBO9781139194662. ISBN 978-0-521-76333-2. Archived from the original on 26 January 2023. Retrieved 26 January 2023.
- Pollack, Henry (2010). A World Without Ice. Penguin. ISBN 978-1-101-52485-5.
- Scott, William; Vare, Paul (2020). Learning, Environment and Sustainable Development: A History of Ideas. Routledge. ISBN 978-1-000-20802-3. Archived from the original on 10 December 2023. Retrieved 3 May 2023.
Phlsph7 (talk) 11:52, 11 August 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review, but two friendly comments. First, Agricultural revolution in ALT0 is a disambiguation page (I'm guessing it refers to the First agricultural revolution, which redirects to Neolithic Revolution). Second, if it's possible to make a hook about life expectancy and/or child mortality, that could be a very interesting hook indeed—I know I found John Green's video "Most People Have Never Been 20" interesting. TompaDompa (talk) 12:26, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for pointing this out, I fixed the link. A hook on changes to life expectancy could be interesting. I think the article only covers this in the sentence Advances in medical science led to a sharp increase in global life expectancy from about 31 years in 1900 to over 66 years in 2000.[552], which does not give us much to work with. Maybe:
- ALT3:
... that in modern human history, advances in medical science helped raise global life expectancy from about 31 years in 1900 to over 66 years in 2000. - Phlsph7 (talk) 12:53, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not a big fan of ALT2, which is rather anachronistic: for most of human history, children did not live in societies in which "public education" was a meaningful concept. Given the wide scope of this article, I think a hook that encompasses a broad timescale would make the most sense. – Joe (talk) 11:24, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Many societies didn't really have public education so children didn't have access to it. Maybe you are concerned about something like the following: some readers may misconstrue the statement as implying that these societies did have public education but just not for most children. This is not what the hook says but it could happen. This problem could be solved by talking about formal education instead of public education but the claim in our article is about public education so this may not be acceptable according to the DYK rules. Phlsph7 (talk) 12:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- What I mean is that 'public education' to be a meaningful concept there first needs to exist the idea of a formal education and a state that provides public services, neither of which existed for "most of human history". In other words I think the hook anachronistically implies that children were missing out on something that was not even conceptualisable until recently. Kind of like saying "for most of human history, satellites did not use reusable launch vehicles". Technically true, but not very meaningful. – Joe (talk) 09:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Can people miss out on something for which they lack the relevant concepts? For example, the ancient Egyptians didn't have the concept of antibiotics. Can we say that "the ancient Egyptians didn't have access to antibiotics"? To my ears, this sounds acceptable. But I'm also open to different ways of expressing the idea. Phlsph7 (talk) 10:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- What I mean is that 'public education' to be a meaningful concept there first needs to exist the idea of a formal education and a state that provides public services, neither of which existed for "most of human history". In other words I think the hook anachronistically implies that children were missing out on something that was not even conceptualisable until recently. Kind of like saying "for most of human history, satellites did not use reusable launch vehicles". Technically true, but not very meaningful. – Joe (talk) 09:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Many societies didn't really have public education so children didn't have access to it. Maybe you are concerned about something like the following: some readers may misconstrue the statement as implying that these societies did have public education but just not for most children. This is not what the hook says but it could happen. This problem could be solved by talking about formal education instead of public education but the claim in our article is about public education so this may not be acceptable according to the DYK rules. Phlsph7 (talk) 12:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- ALT3 is not very well sourced. It cites page 1 of The Twentieth Century: A World History, which doesn't cite any sources for these figures, and a textbook on marketing for the "due to advances in medical science" part, which also doesn't cite a source for this claim. Neither source make it clear what specific measure of life expectancy they're using, but it's probably life expectancy at birth, which was largely a function of infant mortality in premodern societies and therefore the change involved more factors than just medical science (also improvements in public health, contraception, reduction of child poverty and malnourishment, etc). – Joe (talk) 11:24, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- ALT3 is not my favorite either but I think the sources fulfill our requirements even though they themselves do not cite other sources for these claims. The hook says "helped raise" to not imply that there were no other factors. Phlsph7 (talk) 12:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- I wouldn't say they fulfil the basic requirement of being reliable sources, in this context, per WP:EXCEPTIONAL. But this is probably best continued on the article talk page. – Joe (talk) 09:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- adjusted hook per talk page discussion at Talk:Human_history#Increase_in_life_expectancy:
- ALT3a: ... that in modern human history, public health measures and advances in medical science helped raise global life expectancy from about 31 years in 1900 to over 66 years in 2000?
- Phlsph7 (talk) 07:44, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- adjusted hook per talk page discussion at Talk:Human_history#Increase_in_life_expectancy:
- I wouldn't say they fulfil the basic requirement of being reliable sources, in this context, per WP:EXCEPTIONAL. But this is probably best continued on the article talk page. – Joe (talk) 09:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- ALT3 is not my favorite either but I think the sources fulfill our requirements even though they themselves do not cite other sources for these claims. The hook says "helped raise" to not imply that there were no other factors. Phlsph7 (talk) 12:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
Mariano R. Vázquez
- ... that during the Spanish Civil War, Mariano R. Vázquez oversaw the integration of anarchists into the government of Spain?
- Source: Sierra, María; Pro, Juan (October 2022). "Gypsy Anarchism: Navigating Ethnic and Political Identities". European History Quarterly. 52 (4): 598–599. doi:10.1177/02656914221097011. hdl:10261/280207. ISSN 0265-6914.
- ALT1: ... that Mariano R. Vázquez wanted to prolong the Spanish Civil War, as he believed that the outbreak of World War II would force the Western allies to intervene and help the Spanish Republicans? Source: Bolloten, Burnet (1991). The Spanish Civil War: Revolution and Counterrevolution. University of North Carolina Press. pp. 625–626. ISBN 0-8078-1906-9. LCCN 89-77911.
- ALT2: ... that Mariano R. Vázquez thought the Spanish Revolution of 1936 had been a mistake, as he believed it had frightened off potential Western allies from supporting the Spanish Republicans? Source: Wexler, Alice (1989). "Spain and the World". Emma Goldman in Exile: From the Russian Revolution to the Spanish Civil War. Boston: Beacon Press. pp. 229–230. ISBN 0-8070-7004-1. LCCN 88-43317.
- ALT3: ... that criticisms of Mariano R. Vázquez for his tenure as Secretary General of the CNT were often infused with anti-Romani sentiment? Source: Sierra, María; Pro, Juan (October 2022). "Gypsy Anarchism: Navigating Ethnic and Political Identities". European History Quarterly. 52 (4): 600–602. doi:10.1177/02656914221097011. hdl:10261/280207. ISSN 0265-6914.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kaylee Bryson
Grnrchst (talk) 11:40, 11 August 2024 (UTC).
Tamurbek Dawletschin
- ... that Tamurbek Dawletschin
publishedwrote one of the only memoirs about the deaths of 3 million Soviet prisoners of war in German captivity?
(t · c) buidhe 23:49, 10 August 2024 (UTC).
- I will review this nomination in the coming week! WatkynBassett (talk) 08:25, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- The article was created on 10 August 2024 and nominated on the same day. It is thus eligible.
- The article is sourced. I did some spot checks and the references checked out.
- The article is written in a neutral and non-promotional tone.
- Earwig did not pick up anything noteworthy.
- QPQ done.
- Hook review: I generally like the hook but I think it needs some further improvement:
- Which is the source you think best states the fact that just a few memoirs of Soviet POW in German captivity exist?
- Additionally two tweaks are necessary in my opinion: I think we cannot state that he "published" his memoir because it was published posthumously. Also, I did not find a source that sees this memoir as dealing with the deaths of 3 million POW.
- So maybe you can think of a rephrasing of the hook that only claims that he wrote the memoir and that it is one of the few memoirs of a Soviet POW in German captivity?
- If the issues concerning the hook are addressed I will gladly approve this nomination. Thank you for creating valuable free knowledge! WatkynBassett (talk) 18:57, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for reviewing. If you need another source for it, Gerlach says, "Unfortunately, few POW accounts were ever published". The book explicitly covers "das Sterben der Kameraden", the three million figure is given in the hook as it contrasts the scale of the atrocity to the lack of sources and memoirs about it. (t · c) buidhe 02:01, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- I must apologize for coming back to this so late; my life currently is a bit disorderly. I appreciate the cite; I think this first issue is fixed now. Nevertheless, I am still not convinced that we can say in wikivoice that the work is about the deaths of 3 million Soviet prisoners of war in German captivity - because this is not contained in any source. Would it therefore not be better to rephrase your hook in a way that highlights that Dawletschin wrote one of the only memoirs of the nearly six million Soviet prisoners of war, of which more than 3 million died? Sorry for the quibbling. WatkynBassett (talk) 05:42, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 11
[edit]Jacques Lewis
- ... that Jacques Lewis is believed to have been the last living French veteran of D-Day?
- Source: "Believed to be the last surviving Frenchman to wade ashore with Americans, he was attached to an Army unit that stormed Utah Beach and helped drive Germans out of France."
Thriley (talk) 16:32, 18 August 2024 (UTC). Review
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - The article was copied from the French Wikipedia
Hook eligibility:
- Cited: - The NYT source does not support the hook as written because it only covers the US landings but there were British and Canadian beaches on D-Day too. A claim of first/last is a Redflag and so needs excellent verification.
- Interesting:
- Other problems: - "Believed" is a weasel word and/or expression of doubt. If this is a definite fact, as it should be, then we should state it as such without such tentative language.
QPQ: - Not provided yet. Note current discussions about limiting nominations on credit like this.
Overall: I'm not sure of the formal status of translations but this review template asks Is the article free of material copied from other sources?
and it isn't. The article seemed to need some copy-editing and so further work of that kind may soften the issue. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:04, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for your review. Will fix up shortly. Thriley (talk) 21:47, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
A House in Jerusalem
- ... that the Netflix-released film A House in Jerusalem tells the story of a British-Jewish child who encounters the ghost of a Palestinian girl in the house where she used to live until 1948?
Makeandtoss (talk) 11:35, 11 August 2024 (UTC).
- Not a full review, but as the subject is a work of fiction, a new hook will need to be proposed per WP:DYKFICTION. Essentially, hooks about fictional plots alone aren't allowed on DYK. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:47, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Thanks for pointing out this guideline.
- ALT1 ... that the director of the Netflix-released film A House in Jerusalem, Muayad Alayan, is a Palestinian whose family was expelled from what had become Israel during the Nakba in 1948? Makeandtoss (talk) 09:06, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not too fond of the hook as it seems to be more about the director than the movie itself, but will let a different editor decide. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:59, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that the director of the Netflix-released film A House in Jerusalem, Muayad Alayan, is a Palestinian whose family was expelled from what had become Israel during the Nakba in 1948? Makeandtoss (talk) 09:06, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Council Working Party
- ... that while Council Working Parties formally only prepare decisions by the Council of the European Union, they de facto shape the majority of those decisions? Source: Häge 2016, p. 686 "Formally, working parties only ‘prepare’ the ministers’ work, but de facto, they make the majority of Council decisions."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Tamurbek Dawletschin (claimed, not done)
WatkynBassett (talk) 07:47, 11 August 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on August 12
[edit]Albert Schädler
- ... that Albert Schädler suggested the introduction of old-age pensions and disability insurance in 1909, though he was unsuccessful?
- ALT1: ... that the ideas of Albert Schädler became the founding ideas of the Progressive Citizens' Party, though he himself was opposed to the formation of political parties?
- ALT2: ... that Albert Schädler failed to be re-elected to the Landtag of Liechtenstein in 1918, but was then appointed to the position instead?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Parker Short
TheBritinator (talk) 16:24, 14 August 2024 (UTC).
The Life Eaters
- ... that the 2003 graphic novel The Life Eaters presenting an occult-driven hypothetical Axis victory in World War II has been discussed in the context of its portrayal of The Holocaust? Source: see https://doi.org/10.1007%2F978-3-319-52575-4_6 and https://doi.org/10.1080%2F21504857.2017.1355824
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on August 13
[edit]Articles created/expanded on August 14
[edit]Madhavi (princess)
- ... that in Hindu mythology, Madhavi, who was blessed with the miraculous ability to regain her virginity after each childbirth, was married to three kings, each in exchange for 200 rare horses?
- Source: Jamison, Stephanie W. (1996). Sacrificed wife/sacrificer's wife : women, ritual, and hospitality in ancient India. Internet Archive. New York : Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0-19-509663-7., pg 209-210
- ALT1: ... that after fulfilling her duties as a wife to four men, Princess Madhavi chose a life of asceticism, abandoning royal luxuries to seek spiritual fulfillment in the solitude of the forest? Source: Jamison, Stephanie W. (1996). Sacrificed wife/sacrificer's wife : women, ritual, and hospitality in ancient India. Internet Archive. New York : Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0-19-509663-7., pg 210
- Reviewed:
- Comment: This is my 4th nomination, so QPQ doesn't apply. Though I created article on 11th Aug, it was completed 2 days back
Seyamar(245CMR)💬📜 10:18, 21 August 2024 (UTC).
Hammond's Hard Lines
- ... that depending on the edition, a fairy or a gremlin grants wishes to the titular character of Hammond's Hard Lines?
- Source: "Books of the Day: 'Hammond's Hard Lines'". The Liverpool Mercury. 1901-12-12. p. 10. Retrieved 2024-08-20 – via Newspapers.com. / "Review of Books for Backward Readers". The Slow Learning Child. 3 (3): 173–183. 1957. doi:10.1080/0156655570030308. ISSN 1034-912X. Retrieved 2024-08-20 – via Taylor & Francis Online.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Takara's Treasure
- Comment: A.K.A. C for Charlie (as a handful online have nicknamed the 1957 version for almost a decade and a half now).
Filler project in light of higher-priority AFC tasks; inspired by this August 2024 filing at the Literature StackExchange, which came up on the parent service's "Hot Network Questons" feed one day during my perusal at GIS.SE (I'm currently engaged in a comeback geofictional project). First of two DYK nominations from yours truly today; stay tuned in a few hours for the other one.
Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 20:21, 20 August 2024 (UTC).
- Note that the hook as currently written might possibly not meet WP:DYKFICTION; as such, it will either need to be revised with additional real-world context, or a new hook needs to be proposed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:16, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
William, Prince of Wales, in film and television
- ... that William, Prince of Wales (pictured), inspired the character Prince Wheeliam in Cars 2?
- Source: [1]
- ALT1: ... that William, Prince of Wales (pictured), has no plans to watch his depiction in The Crown? Source: [2]
- ALT2: ... that William, Prince of Wales (pictured), has been depicted by four actors in The Crown? Source: [3]
- ALT3: ... that Prince William's (pictured) marriage ceremony was parodied in an episode of South Park? Source: [4]
- ALT4: ... that William, Prince of Wales (pictured), has appeared in two documentaries about his mother Princess Diana? Source: [5][6]
- Reviewed:
- Comment:
Elevator pitch to increase appeal of subject matter
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Many years ago, European royal families were the most powerful politicians of their countries. Compare that to today, where (aside from Pope Francis) royalty serve as figureheads in kingdoms such as Belgium and Sweden. Or, in the case of the United Kingdom, you have a family of princes as the ultimate form of soft power, appealing to the masses worldwide through their charity work and family milestones. Arguably, nowhere is this soft power more popular (at least for now) than in the form of Prince William, on deck to be king of the birthplace of the English language, the Great White North, Down Under, and 12 other countries. By presenting this article on Did you know, readers will learn much more about the public's fascination with this prince on the big screen and small screen alike. From two films on his wedding to a documentary on his advocacy for climate change, there will be plenty of intrigue and critique that will not disappoint! |
Finally, as a more serious comment, I would like to note that this page's parent article appeared on Did you know less than a year ago as of this post. If this affects eligibility, please let me know.
AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 04:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC).
- I've moved the article to bring it in line with MOS:COMMA, and edited this page accordingly. Ham II (talk) 07:51, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ Reynolds, Simon (20 April 2011). "Vanessa Redgrave to voice the Queen in 'Cars 2'". Digital Spy. Sky Digital. Retrieved 18 August 2024.
- ^ Hill, Erin (16 January 2024). "Kate Middleton and Prince William's True Feelings About The Crown Revealed". People. Dotdash Meredith. Archived from the original on 28 February 2024. Retrieved 18 August 2024.
- ^ Robinson, Abby; Knight, Lewis (19 December 2023). "The Crown season 6 cast: Full list of actors and characters". RadioTimes.com. Immediate Media Company Ltd. Retrieved 18 August 2024.
- ^ Ward, Kate (11 May 2011). "'South Park' spoofing Royal Wedding tonight. What other current events should it parody?". Entertainment Weekly. Dotdash Meredith. Archived from the original on 27 July 2024. Retrieved 18 August 2024.
- ^ Scheck, Frank (22 July 2017). "'Diana: Our Mother: Her Life and Legacy': TV Review". The Hollywood Reporter. Eldridge Industries. Archived from the original on 26 February 2024. Retrieved 18 August 2024.
- ^ Mackelden, Amy (1 September 2017). "10 Things We Learned About Princess Diana and Her Death from Diana, 7 Days". Harper's Bazaar. Hearst Magazine Media, Inc. Archived from the original on 28 July 2024. Retrieved 18 August 2024.
Articles created/expanded on August 15
[edit]Jehovah's Witnesses in Singapore
- ... that many Jehovah's Witnesses in Singapore have been imprisoned for refusing to serve in the military?
KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 05:00, 19 August 2024 (UTC).
- The article is new enough and long enough at the time of the nomination. Earwig is giving me the "Too Many Requests" error right now so I am unable to check for close paraphrasing. A QPQ has been done. Almost all the sources are offline so I will assume good faith for the sourcing. The main issue right now is the hook: it's only mentioned in the lede without a citation. The rest of the article does not appear to directly support the "routinely imprisoned" statement, only that Witnesses have been regularly arrested and some have been jailed. My suggestion would be a rephrasing of the hook to make it closer to the article text. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:04, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Courtesy ping to Kingoflettuce to make sure they're aware of the above comment. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 16:03, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Narutolovehinata5 Have changed it to "many" (and specified that it's ~6 annually according to the BBC) have been imprisoned (although it's effectively a routine IMO, but you're right that the sources cited don't quite say that.) Appreciate the ping, Clover! KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 17:02, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! Just one last minor issue before I approve this: the phrase "although they do not receive permanent criminal records." is very close to the BBC source, so if it's possible to rephrase it, that would be appreciated. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:40, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Can't think of a suitable rephrase at the moment (is it right to infer that they are given "temporary" records instead? I don't think so.) It's a basic fact KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 10:50, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! Just one last minor issue before I approve this: the phrase "although they do not receive permanent criminal records." is very close to the BBC source, so if it's possible to rephrase it, that would be appreciated. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:40, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Benoit Blin
- ... that during his service with the French Navy pastry chef and television judge Benoit Blin cut off the tips of his fingers in a kitchen accident?
- Source: " For me, when I was a young lad I made a silly mistake during my military service. I used a butcher knife to slice a tomato when I was doing staff food. It was extremely sharp and chopped the end of my fingers off with the tomato." from "The man behind the chef: Benoit Blin - The Staff Canteen Live". www.thestaffcanteen.com. Retrieved 14 August 2024.
- ALT1: ... that in 2011, French-born chef Benoit Blin was president of the British team at the World Pastry Cup? Source: "Benoit is no stranger to high-end pastry competitions. He was team president of the UK Pastry Team in the 2011 Pastry World Cup " from: "BBC Two - Bake Off Creme de la Creme, Series 1 - Benoit Blin MCA". BBC. Retrieved 14 August 2024.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Flag of Togo
Dumelow (talk) 14:32, 15 August 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review (and no matter how much I like Bake Off The Professionals, I still do my QPQs oldest first!), but the WP:METRO is not a reliable source.--Launchballer 20:59, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads-up Launchballer, luckily everything was covered by the BBC source so I've switched it over to that - Dumelow (talk) 21:18, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- You should consider installing WP:UPSD. Full review needed.--Launchballer 21:44, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, that is a very handy gadget that should be more widely known, thanks - Dumelow (talk) 07:47, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- You should consider installing WP:UPSD. Full review needed.--Launchballer 21:44, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads-up Launchballer, luckily everything was covered by the BBC source so I've switched it over to that - Dumelow (talk) 21:18, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Eliza Legzdina
- ... that Eliza Legzdina (track featured) named her record label after "my bellybutton"? Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW71GsEtJLo, around 13:50 - which is Creative Commons, so is on this page
- ALT0a: ... why Eliza Legzdina (track featured) named her record label after "my bellybutton"?
- ALT1: ... that lemon, peach, strawberry, chocolate, and cinnamon have something in common? Source: https://www.looper.com/1112556/what-is-the-song-in-apples-brand-new-flavor-ipad-commercial/
- ALT1a: ... what lemon, peach, strawberry, chocolate, and cinnamon have in common?
- ALT2: ... that Eliza Legzdina (track featured) once copresented a workshop in which she "promise[d] to help you take your ‘2019 Ls’ and ‘spin them into 2020 Ws’"? Source: https://www.timeout.com/london/news/no-money-no-problem-learn-a-new-skill-for-free-at-these-courses-and-classes-011320
- ALT3 : ... that Eliza Legzdina has attributed opinions of her work to the "horrification of the female body"? Source: https://www.hastemagazine.co.uk/real-girls-with-eliza-legzdina/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jab Se Tere Naina
Launchballer 11:17, 15 August 2024 (UTC).
- Will be claiming this for review, but so far it looks good. The article was initially created in 2022 but was moved to userspace to be worked on as a draft; the article was moved back to mainspace on August 15, the day of the nomination, so for DYK purposes it should count as a new article. Earwig is down at the moment so I cannot check for close paraphrasing. A QPQ has been done. I have yet to check all statements in the article, but as for the hooks, my preference is the original one. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:34, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 16
[edit]Queen Anne Pool
- ... that Queen Anne Pool opened to the public one day late, after a thermostat glitch which accidentally heated the pool to 100 °F (38 °C)?
Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 06:08, 16 August 2024 (UTC).
- Hi Generalissima, review follows: article created 15 August and exceeds minimum length; article is well written and cited inline throughout to reliable sources for the subject; I didn't pick up any issues with overly close paraphrasing from a spotcheck on the sources; hook fact is interesting, mentioned in the article and checks out to the source cited; a QPQ has been carried out. Looks fine to me, a really nice article - Dumelow (talk) 07:14, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- pulled per discussion at ERRORS; see Talk:Queen Anne Pool for more details :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 23:15, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
Joe Wirkkunen
- ... that Joe Wirkkunen coached the Finland men's national ice hockey team after receiving a recommendation from Canada?
- Reviewed: Grace Panvini and Robert Aiello
- Comment: I volunteer two QPQ credits for one nomination, to help reduce the backlog of nominations without reviews.
Flibirigit (talk) 17:26, 23 August 2024 (UTC).
Vollpension
- ... that Vollpension employs grandpas and grandmas (pictured) to bake cakes according to their own recipes, and during the COVID-19 pandemic offered live baking-courses from elders across the world?
- Source: "In 2020, at the height of coronavirus pandemic, the Vollpension launched the 'world’s first Grandma Baking School'. BakAdemy is an online platform that offers on-demand, live baking courses taught by the cafe’s elderly staff, helping to spreading their knowledge and recipes worldwide.." [19]
- ALT1: ... that Vollpension provides additional income and generation-bridging interaction to Viennese grandpas and grandmas (pictured) by employing them to bake and serve their own cakes?
- Source: "But it is also a highly successful experiment in 'social good' or 'social entrepreneurship,' a commercially sustainable way to provide much-needed extra income. Equally important, it provides friendly generation-bridging interaction for older people who may otherwise feel lonely or isolated." [20]
- ALT2: ... that the Viennese café Vollpension (employees pictured) addresses poverty and loneliness in elders by employing them to bake and serve their own cakes?
- Source: "Beyond being a cafe, however, the Vollpension is seen as a statement against social issues such old-age poverty and loneliness.." [21]
- Reviewed: Agnes Crane
- Comment:
QPQ is coming.Alternative hooks suggestions are welcome!
Surtsicna (talk) 22:58, 22 August 2024 (UTC).
- @Surtsicna: Per a recent WT:DYK discussion, there has been loose consensus to change the rules so that a QPQ now needs to be provided at the time of the nomination, instead of up to a week after. Please provide a QPQ at the earliest opportunity, otherwise the nomination is liable to be closed as incomplete without warning. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:36, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, Narutolovehinata5. I'm on it! Surtsicna (talk) 20:07, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Done. I was not aware of the rule change. It seems perfectly reasonable. Surtsicna (talk) 20:49, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Italian Campaign of 1796-1797
- ... that the Italian Campaign of 1796–1797 helped Napoleon Bonaparte establish himself as a general? Source: https://www.thoughtco.com/napoleon-and-the-italian-campaign-1221692
- ... that the Italian Campaign of 1796–1797 demonstrated that Napoleon Bonaparte was a "great strategist"? Source: https://www.napoleon.org/en/young-historians/napodoc/timeline-consulate1st-french-empire/
- Reviewed:
- Comment: This is a translated article. The only issue I have personally encountered is citations, which I am currently working out.
Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 16:27, 19 August 2024 (UTC).
- I screwed up the nomination template, can someone please correct. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 16:33, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Fixed. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 17:32, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Sir MemeGod: a few things need straightening out here:
- There are a lot of Harvard errors in the citations and referencing. If you haven't already, I suggest installing this script to catch and fix them.
- The two sources cited here are not really up to the bar of WP:RS. We need published works, ideally in print, by people acknowledged as experts in their field. Fortunately, Napoleon is not short of people who have written good academic work about him.
- The hooks need to be explicitly stated within the article itself: neither of these two seem to be.
I would suggest giving the article a fix for the citations, and then looking for two or three good facts from within it for which you have good sources already cited. I notice you've written that it's a translation, so make sure that these are from works that you can access to verify the citation. UndercoverClassicist T·C 13:21, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, I will work to fix the issues addressed by later today, and will get back to you once everything is done. Thanks for the review! Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 13:26, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- @User:UndercoverClassicist I can't, for the life of me, figure out how to fix the "HarvNoTarget" error. I can fix the other issues though, and have already placed the hooks in the article. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 13:46, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- No Target Errors mean that there isn't a unique reference defined with that ID. For example, you have two references defined as Chandler2006, so any link pointing to that will show an error. The simple way to fix this is to make one Chandler 2006a and the other Chandler 2006b. I've seen the additions to the article, but would encourage you to read what I said about sourcing: this webpage is not a quality academic source. Honestly, I think there's more specific and more interesting material for hooks in the article anyway: can you come up with a couple that are cited to good-quality sources? UndercoverClassicist T·C 15:05, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- @User:UndercoverClassicist I can't, for the life of me, figure out how to fix the "HarvNoTarget" error. I can fix the other issues though, and have already placed the hooks in the article. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 13:46, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, here's a few I came up with:
1. "...that the Italian Campaign of 1796–1797 ended with the Treaty of Campo Formio?"
1b. Source: https://www.britannica.com/event/Treaty-of-Campo-Formio#:~:text=Treaty%20of%20Campo%20Formio%2C%20(October,Napoleon%20Bonaparte's%20first%20Italian%20campaign.
2. "...that the Italian Campaign of 1796–1797 was led by Napoleon?" (Kind of generic, I know)
2b. Source: https://www.worldhistory.org/Napoleon's_Italian_Campaign/
2c. Source:https://www.pbs.org/empires/napoleon/n_war/campaign/page_1.html#:~:text=First%20Italian%20Campaign%2C%201796%2D97,Piedmontese%2C%20then%20conquer%20each%20separately. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 15:19, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'd also have one about the campaign being Napoleon's first major campaaign (which it was), but I can't find an RS for it. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 15:25, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- To add one more thing, I figured out how to fix the harverror and now it is clean. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 15:31, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- We need hooks that are going to be interesting or unknown to most readers -- I'm not sure either of those two really pass that muster. Did anything interesting, exciting, surprising or consequential happen during (or as a result of) the campaigns? Can you find citations that are printed books, ideally in academic presses? UndercoverClassicist T·C 15:52, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- I do have one more that does have reliable sources behind it, and was interesting (at least to me) when I first read about it.
- We need hooks that are going to be interesting or unknown to most readers -- I'm not sure either of those two really pass that muster. Did anything interesting, exciting, surprising or consequential happen during (or as a result of) the campaigns? Can you find citations that are printed books, ideally in academic presses? UndercoverClassicist T·C 15:52, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- ALT0" Did you know... that Napoleon defeated the Sardinian army in just two weeks at Montenotte and Mondovì as part of the Italian Campaign of 1796–1797?"
Sources (which I've checked WP:RS/PS for reliability):
1. https://www.pbs.org/empires/napoleon/n_war/campaign/page_1.html (passes WP:RS/PS)
2. https://www.britannica.com/event/French-revolutionary-wars/Campaign-in-Italy (there is no consensus, but the information is non-controversial, so it should be fine)
Also, printed books shouldn't be a requirement, if it's stated from a RS then it should be fine.
Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 16:47, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- They're not a requirement, but most of the websites you had been citing weren't good RSs for historical information -- I think Britannica is fine; PBS is acceptable but not great for history: we can trust their integrity, but they don't claim any real academic expertise or credibility. I think the most recent ALT (which I've labelled ALT0) is good; I've taken the liberty of making some minor edits for concision and markup. Hook is in the article, but the reference doesn't quite check: PBS give the two week figure as the combined total for Montenotte and Mondovi. UndercoverClassicist T·C 17:50, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Issue has been fixed, I just added "Mondovi" to the hook and to the article. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 17:56, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Lovely stuff. A few copyright issues:
- File:Paintings of Napoleon I on the battlefield.jpg needs a US PD tag.
- So does File:Renault - André Masséna, duc de Rivoli, prince d'Essling, maréchal de France (1756-1817).jpg
- So does File:Rampon Monte Legino.jpg
- So does File:Il generale Bonaparte dopo la vittoria di Montenotte.jpg
- So does File:Myrbach-Battle of Lodi.jpg
- So does File:Victor Adam - Battle of Castiglione - 1836.jpg
- So does File:Bataille de Rivoli ag1.jpg
- So does File:Archdukecharles1.jpg
- So does File:Örebroporträttet.jpg
- So does File:Bonaparte di Edouard Detaille.jpg, and it also needs better source information.
- So does File:Johann Peter Beaulieu.jpg
Not strictly required, but as we're going to be directing many readers from the main page to this article, it would be good to have alt text on the images for the benefit of blind people using screen readers. UndercoverClassicist T·C 18:26, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- I will add the alt text for all the images shortly. I may be able to add the PD-US templates to the images within the next hour, but if not, I'll just ask for someone else to do it (Commons sometimes doesn't work on my device). Thanks! Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 18:35, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- All alt-texts for the images have been added. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 18:58, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- And, for the grand finale, all PD-US-EXPIRED templates have been added. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 21:25, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- @UndercoverClassicist: Everything has been fixed. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 13:27, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- And, for the grand finale, all PD-US-EXPIRED templates have been added. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 21:25, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Request new reviewer, reviewer has not responded in 4 days. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 14:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Happy to respect that request, though I note for the future reviewer that the source information on File:Bonaparte di Edouard Detaille.jpg is still insufficient. Good luck with the nomination. UndercoverClassicist T·C 15:53, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 17
[edit]Liebigs Annalen
- ... that scientists publishing in Liebigs Annalen were subject to criticism and attacks by editor Justus von Liebig?
- Source: Partington, James Riddick (1961). A history of chemistry. London : Macmillan ; New York : St. Martin's Press. p. 299. ISBN 978-0-333-08366-6.
- ALT1: ... that Liebigs Annalen was first published in English 163 years after its first issue? Source: Engberts, Jan B. F. N.; Hafner, Klaus; Hopf, Henning (September 20, 1997). Temme, Robert (ed.). "What is going to become of Chemische Berichte/Recueil and Liebigs Annalen/Recueil?" (PDF). Jahrgang. Archived (PDF) from the original on May 28, 2024. Retrieved July 2, 2024., Royal Society of London (1 January 1875). "Obituary Notices of Fellows Deceased". Proceedings of the Royal Society of London. 24: xxvii–xxxvii. Retrieved 5 February 2024.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Eternaut
- Comment: ALT1 uses the first source for its first English publication year and second source for the start of publications year.
Reconrabbit 15:37, 20 August 2024 (UTC).
1961 Pittsburg State Gorillas football team
- ... that the undefeated 1961 Pittsburg State Gorillas (pictured with UPI trophy) shut out seven opponents, featured four All-Americans and won three national championships?
- Source: Seven shutouts: here
Four All-Amerians: Snadon here, Archer, Beal, Hess here
Three national championships: UPI national small college champion (here), NAIA national champion (here), and AP small college national champion (here).Cbl62 (talk) 11:30, 18 August 2024 (UTC).
Quinto Inuma Alvarado
- ... that the Quechua chief Quinto Inuma Alvarado was assassinated while returning home from a meeting of environmental leaders?
- Source: [22] [My translation] On the evening of Wednesday 29 November, a group of hooded people assassinated Quinto Inuma Alvarado [...] Quinto Inuma was returning from a meeting of environmental defenders held in Pucallpa, Ucayali, between November 23 and 26.
- ALT1: ... that the week Quinto Inuma Alvarado was assassinated, he said at a conference, "If I must die, I will die"? Source: [23] [My translation] "[...] If I must die, I will die" was one of the last statements the apu made, during his participation at a meeting of leaders held in Pucallpa, from 23 to 27 November.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Joseva Talacolo
— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 23:00, 17 August 2024 (UTC).
- Article is new enough, long enough, and sourced. Hooks are interesting and short enough. Hooks are mostly supported but I am not finding an in-line citation for his status as a "Quechua chief". Hopefully, this can be added. QPQ satisfied. Cbl62 (talk) 12:07, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Cbl62: I had assumed the term "apu" was synonymous with "Quechua chief", but I realize now it's better to be precise. I have added a citation to call him a "Kichwa tribal leader" (with Kichwa being a more specific term than Quechua). — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 14:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
Post-tuberculosis lung disease
- ... that many people who recover from tuberculosis lose more than half of their lung capacity (pictured)?
(t · c) buidhe 06:26, 17 August 2024 (UTC).
- @Buidhe: QPQ done, only 13% overlap, the page is an orphan (possibly add it to Template:Tuberculosis) and also airways is a disambiguation link please fix that, new enough. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 15:34, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review. The article was de orphaned and the daB link was fixed. (t · c) buidhe 17:55, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Abortion in Guinea
- ... that Guinea has a law banning abortion, but an interpretation of the law says that receiving an abortion is not illegal?
- Source: [24] [my translation] For this legal journalist, the Guinean penal code cannot condemn a woman who has had an abortion.
— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 04:59, 17 August 2024 (UTC).
- Not surprising or interesting, most abortion laws focus on prosecuting abortion providers rather than recipients. (t · c) buidhe 06:27, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 18
[edit]Ron Tiavaasue
- ... that Ron Tiavaasue was born in Samoa, grew up in New Zealand, played college football in the United States, and plays professional football in Canada?
- ALT1: ... that in two years, football player Ron Tiavaasue was a member of two different teams with the same name? Source: Utah State Aggies 2022, New Mexico State Aggies 2023
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/William Aitken (architect) (4/4)
BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:07, 25 August 2024 (UTC).
Agnes Crane
- ... that Agnes Crane (1852–1932) was an English amateur paleontologist who nonetheless described a new species of brachiopod and presented her work at the 1893 World's Congress in Chicago?
- Source: new brachiopod - 'On a Brachiopod of the Genus Atretia .. ' I have therefore thought it my duty to publish a short description of Atretia brazieri .. to secure priority for .. [this] species' https://https://archive.org/details/biostor-99964/page/n1/mode/2up Proc Zool Soc, 1886, p 182
Chaiten1 (talk) 19:22, 20 August 2024 (UTC).
- There is probably nothing I like seeing more on DYK than women scientists. Thanks for this one, Chaiten1. The article is new and long enough. It covers the subject's life and career perfectly well. The sources are of very high quality and even quite accessible too. There are two issues, however. Firstly, "Crane lived in Brighton for the rest of her life" and "a role later taken on by Crane's father" require citations. Secondly, the wording of the hook can be improved. I would propose something like:
- ALT1: that despite having no university training, Agnes Crane described a new species of brachiopod in 1886?
- Let me know what you think. Surtsicna (talk) 20:47, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the encouragement! I have added citations to the statements in the page: one is Crane's births/marriages/death entry from FreeBMD, as other sources (like probate) are behind paywalls; the other is from Edward Crane's obituary. I do like your suggestion for rewording in ALT1 - I have just inserted 'of brachiopod' - thank you!Chaiten1 (talk) 09:06, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Let me know what you think. Surtsicna (talk) 20:47, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Beata Olsson
- ... that when Swedish soccer player Beata Olsson transferred from Florida to Florida State, she said she didn't really know about the schools' rivalry?
- Source: ref5
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Stefon
Hameltion (talk | contribs) 04:44, 19 August 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review, more of a comment: the current hook is very US-centric. The rivalry will probably be understood by US readers, but those outside the US may not be as familiar with the Gators-Seminoles rivalry. My suggestion would be to add some more context to the hook, like saying Olsson helped the Seminoles in their soccer championships. As written, the hook doesn't even make it clear that she's a soccer player! Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:20, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm, I wouldn't describe that as US-centric, just local. But not being familiar with the rivalry is kind of central to the hook. Could add that she won championships but I think that would be wordy/distract. Added sport. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 13:32, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- I meant that readers would need to know that Florida and Florida State have a rivalry to get the hook. It's a different thing from Olsson being unaware of it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:41, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think most readers can infer that two schools within the same state are probably rivals. For the hook, I'd add Olsson's nationality to make it a bit clearer about why she wouldn't know about the rivalry. SounderBruce 03:17, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- I've added Swedish to the article for additional context. I think the additional context about her being a football player and being from Sweden satisfies my original concerns. Full review still needed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:50, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think most readers can infer that two schools within the same state are probably rivals. For the hook, I'd add Olsson's nationality to make it a bit clearer about why she wouldn't know about the rivalry. SounderBruce 03:17, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- I meant that readers would need to know that Florida and Florida State have a rivalry to get the hook. It's a different thing from Olsson being unaware of it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:41, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 19
[edit]Janet Panetta
- ... that Janet Panetta, who started dancing as physical therapy for childhood polio, would go on to teach dance all over Europe, becoming a "launchpad" for many dancers including Jérôme Bel?
- Source: "Janet Panetta, who overcame childhood polio to become a dancer with American Ballet Theater, a performer in New York’s thriving downtown modern dance scene and a revered ballet teacher, died on Saturday in Brooklyn. She was 74."
"The French choreographer Jérôme Bel, also interviewed by The Times in 2010, said of Ms. Panetta, “If a dancer would be a rocket, she would be a launchpad.” He was her student at the National Center of Contemporary Dance in France, where she was the founding ballet teacher in the early 1980s. “Not telling you where to go, just giving you confidence in the universe,” he said."
NY Times- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Book of Virtues
- Comment: Alt hooks welcome!
Thriley (talk) 16:07, 27 August 2024 (UTC).
The Crimson Diamond
- ... that the sole developer of the The Crimson Diamond first created a series of pixel art rooms and later decided to build a game around the house she had designed?
- Source: "She started using [her free time] to learn pixel art, recreating the look of the text parser games she enjoyed as a kid like The Colonel’s Bequest. “I made a room, and then I made another room, and then I realized I need to make a little sprite character because I wanted to have the furniture in scale,” Minamata said. “So I made a character and I wanted to have her walk around, and suddenly it’s becoming a game.” [25]
- Reviewed: Template:Did_you_know_nominations/G Affairs
- Comment: There's more hooks here that could be a possibility – maybe that the sole developer of the Crimson Diamond used to freelance as an artist for The New Yorker? But I think the idea of creating a pixel house and then going "oh, let's have a game" is more interesting to me.
Nomader (talk) 18:19, 22 August 2024 (UTC).
Would you consider a slight tweak to the hook like:
- ALT1:... that the developer of the The Crimson Diamond first created a series of pixel art rooms and later built a game around the house she had designed?
I realize it's almost the same. I think "lone" is not entirely necessary, and the emphasis could imply that no other people worked on the game at all. Also, it seems more direct and factual to say that she built the game than decided to build the game. If you're not interested in the ALT, feel free to strike. And unrelated, but I get so much nostalgia from the game's aesthetic. Rjjiii (talk) 23:18, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Rjjiii: I was oddly struggling with the wording here, and I actually think this fixes my issues! I prefer this ALT for sure – I'd be fine with it being used. Loved the story of how she developed this game, so I'm so happy that I was able to find enough sources to put this together! Nomader (talk) 14:25, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Daniela Larreal
- ... that although cyclist Daniela Larreal thought in 2004 that she would only have a few more years in her career, she was preparing for the 2016 Summer Olympics when forced into exile?
- Source: Sources in article
Kingsif (talk) 20:44, 20 August 2024 (UTC).
Self-withdrawing as this is currently at ITN (as RD). Kingsif (talk) 22:28, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Kingsif: Note that if a subject is featured on ITN under Recent deaths, it remains eligible for DYK. DYK ineligibility only applies to bolded links in blurbs (so for example, Paetongtarn Shinawatra is ineligible for DYK for one year after the blurb was posted), but not to Recent deaths entries. With that in mind, are you sure you want to withdraw the nomination instead of allowing it to proceed? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:19, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: If that's the case, happy to proceed with it, and I've struck my last comment. Kingsif (talk) 15:09, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Kingsif: Note that if a subject is featured on ITN under Recent deaths, it remains eligible for DYK. DYK ineligibility only applies to bolded links in blurbs (so for example, Paetongtarn Shinawatra is ineligible for DYK for one year after the blurb was posted), but not to Recent deaths entries. With that in mind, are you sure you want to withdraw the nomination instead of allowing it to proceed? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:19, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
Public image of JB Pritzker
- ... that Socialists, nomadic warriors, Anarchists, and frat bros support the richest governor in the United States of America?
- ALT1: ... that the Great Khan of the Midwest has a large following among nomadic warriors, frat bros, socialists, and anarchists? Source: https://www.chicagotribune.com/2022/11/04/jb-pritzker-conqueror-of-worlds-the-memeing-of-the-illinois-governor-gets-weird/
- Reviewed:
Microplastic Consumer (talk) 22:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review, but I don't think ALT0 would pass scrutiny as Pritzker being the richest governor in the US is not a fact that is unlikely to change. It will change either when Pritzker is no longer in office, or another governor becomes wealthier. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:53, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Also not a review but Alt 1 also appears to be changeable opinion using possibly stereotypes (ie not a sociological or even cultural study or statistical fact). I don't remember the rules for opinion presentation, if any, though. -- Alanscottwalker (talk) 13:50, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hooks about opinions usually require some kind of attribution. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:07, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- There are essentially hundreds of JB Pritzker fan accounts, some of whom who have received media coverage (See sources linked here and in the article). "Nomadic Warriors for Pritzker" is one of this accounts, and refers to Pritzker as the "Great Khan" Microplastic Consumer (talk) 12:12, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe something like ALT2 ... that JB Pritzker has been nicknamed the "Great Khan of the Midwest" by supporters? would work then? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:26, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 20
[edit]List of accolades received by Joe Hisaishi
- ... that composer Joe Hisaishi has been awarded at the Japan Academy Film Prize eight times and has received nominations for eight more?
- Source: Multiple references
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Spitfire (EP)
- Comment: With thanks to Harushiga for their expansion work.
—TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 15:51, 26 August 2024 (UTC).
Jools Lebron
- ... that following the success of Jools Lebron's "demure" videos, she stated that she was able to use the proceeds to pay for her gender transition - only for someone else to trademark it? Source: https://variety.com/2024/digital/news/demure-creater-tiktok-jools-lebron-gender-transition-1236109680/ for transition, https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/08/26/very-demure-very-mindful-jools-lebron-tiktok/ for skulduggery
- ALT1: ... that the August 2024 "demure" TikTok trend was started by Jools Lebron? Source: per ALT0
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Michael Jerrell
- Comment: Drive-by nom. Appears to meet minimum standards, will go through with a fine-toothed comb when I don't have a 7-day clock ticking. The bit of ALT0 after the dash probably deserves WP:DYKTRIMming but I see no harm in adding it post hoc for the promoter's consideration.
Launchballer 16:54, 25 August 2024 (UTC).
Arekia Bennett
- ... that despite graduating with a physics degree, Arekia Bennett turned to civic activism due to her political concerns regarding reproductive rights and the electoral process?
- Source: https://www.splcenter.org/news/2020/11/02/vote-your-voice-mississippi-grantee-organizations-are-challenging-systemic-voter Arekia Bennett was a physics and chemistry major at a Mississippi university when she tuned into local and regional politics. “As a young woman in the Deep South, I started to understand that there were so many issues I cared about, like control over my own body, that were intrinsically tied to the electoral process,” Bennett said.
- Reviewed:
CaptainAngus (talk) 16:55, 24 August 2024 (UTC).
- How is this surprising or interesting? Many people who go into politics or advocacy don't have polisci degrees. (t · c) buidhe 13:48, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Two alternative hooks below:
- ALT1: ...that despite intending to become a physics teacher, Arekia Bennett turned to civic activism due to her political concerns regarding reproductive rights and the electoral process?
- Additional source for ALT1: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/25/us/freedom-summer-mississippi-votes.html “This is about creating a culture of civic engagement, not just during the election season. We want people to understand the political landscape and be involved on and off the clock,” said Ms. Bennett, a Jackson State University graduate who wanted to be a physics teacher before turning to civic activism.
- ALT2: ...that voting-rights activist Arekia Bennett based a 2017 mass voter registration effort in Mississippi on Freedom Summer?
- Source for ALT2: https://jacksonadvocateonline.com/ms-votes-the-next-generation-of-freedom-fighters-are-here/ “In 2017, [the organization] started to test this theory of what it means to do mass voter registration in the same ways that folks did during Freedom Summer,” says Bennett.
- CaptainAngus (talk) 01:39, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure about these hooks either: #1 are very common reasons for political activism in the US and #2 is a commonly cited inspiration for voter registration. (t · c) buidhe 02:40, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Additional alternative hooks below:
- ALT2a: ...that voting-rights activist Arekia Bennett aimed to recreate Freedom Summer, Mississippi's 1964 voter registration drive, in 2017?
- Source for ALT2a: https://jacksonadvocateonline.com/ms-votes-the-next-generation-of-freedom-fighters-are-here/ “In 2017, [the organization] started to test this theory of what it means to do mass voter registration in the same ways that folks did during Freedom Summer,” says Bennett.
- ALT3: ...that Arekia Bennett is focused on voting rights for Mississippi citizens including young queer people and children who have gone through the juvenile justice system?
- Source for ALT3: https://www.djournal.com/mississippi-today/the-story-behind-the-technology-that-mississippi-votes-uses-to/article_8fe12716-715e-56e3-9a32-fc3a38f033e8.html Arekia Bennett throws herself into a chair in front of a dark red accent wall and rattles off a list of positions she hopes to fill as quickly as possible at Mississippi Votes, the nonprofit she has led as executive director for almost a year. <break> More specifically, they focus on people ages 18 to 35 as well as young queer people and people who have experienced the juvenile justice system.
- CaptainAngus (talk) 01:44, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 21
[edit]Heat 2
- ... that Michael Mann made a sequel and a prequel to his 1995 film Heat with a novel, Heat 2?
- Reviewed:
Iheartmylibrary22 (talk) 18:16, 25 August 2024 (UTC).
...Well, Better Than the Alternative
- ... that "...Well, Better Than the Alternative" contains lyrics that act as "conceptual red herrings" to obstruct Will Wood's intention?
- ALT1: ... that the music video for "...Well, Better Than the Alternative" applies handmade paintings to live action footage of Will Wood through EBsynth? Source: https://newnoisemagazine.com/video-premiere-will-wood-well-better-than-the-alternative/
- Reviewed:
Koopastar (talk) 02:06, 22 August 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on August 22
[edit]No net loss environmental policy
- ... that more than 69 countries have no net loss environmental policies?
- Reviewed:
Manxshearwater (talk) 14:30, 26 August 2024 (UTC).
September 11 Digital Archive
- ... that the September 11 Digital Archive contains misleading information about the September 11 attacks?
- Source: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02773940601086794 "Every submission to the September 11 Digital Archive-even those that are erroneous, misleading, or dubious-contributes in some way to the historical record."
―Panamitsu (talk) 07:26, 23 August 2024 (UTC).
Rustls
- ... that programmers are trying to improve internet security by writing network protocol libraries like Rustls in a memory safe programming language?
- Source: Rustls Looks to Provide a Memory-Safe Replacement for OpenSSL, The New Stack, April 23, 2021
Dreamyshade (talk) 21:48, 22 August 2024 (UTC).
- Not a good hook. Makes no sense to the average person with no CS education. Many technical articles are not suited for DYK. (t · c) buidhe 07:01, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Pinging two editors regarding possible hooks here given they are DYK regulars who specialize in tech articles. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:14, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Fixed pings: @Maury Markowitz and DigitalIceAge: Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:14, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- The hook is a little confusing to me because it's making it sound like Rustls wasn't written in Rust to begin with, i.e. it's a pre-existing library that's just now being adapted to Rust. I think if the hook were shorter, it would be more interesting. Something like "... that Rustls aims to improve internet security by replacing memory-unsafe software libraries?" DigitalIceAge (talk) 02:49, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- @DigitalIceAge: That might still be too specialist if the reader doesn't know what "memory-unsafe" means in this context. I asked for feedback over at WP:DISCORD, and Hilst suggested that the
Like other TLS implementations, a computer user may use Rustls without being aware of it, as an underlying part of an application or website
part has promise. Maybe that could also work? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:09, 30 August 2024 (UTC)- I suppose. I don't think the concept of "memory safety" is particularly arcane or technical, but we could simplify the hook even further: "... that Rustls aims to improve internet security by replacing software libraries that are vulnerable to security bugs?" DigitalIceAge (talk) 03:23, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks Narutolovehinata5 for pitching in! I don't have a citation for "a computer user may use Rustls without being aware of it", so I don't think we can use it as a hook. (I included it in the article even without a citation because I believe it's Wikipedia:Common knowledge about low-level software libraries like this one, at least among people in the software field.) I believe that it's possible for non-specialists to find this topic somewhat interesting, as long as we do a decent job of writing about it, which is why I tried to include bits of context in the article itself. I like DigitalIceAge's simplified hook. Dreamyshade (talk) 03:44, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- I still don't think the original hook is too specialist. But if I had to pick, I'd go with DigitalIceAge's as well. Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:38, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Buidhe: Does DigitalIceAge's proposal satisfy your concerns? If it does, this should be ready for a full review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:45, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- I still don't think the original hook is too specialist. But if I had to pick, I'd go with DigitalIceAge's as well. Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:38, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- @DigitalIceAge: That might still be too specialist if the reader doesn't know what "memory-unsafe" means in this context. I asked for feedback over at WP:DISCORD, and Hilst suggested that the
- The hook is a little confusing to me because it's making it sound like Rustls wasn't written in Rust to begin with, i.e. it's a pre-existing library that's just now being adapted to Rust. I think if the hook were shorter, it would be more interesting. Something like "... that Rustls aims to improve internet security by replacing memory-unsafe software libraries?" DigitalIceAge (talk) 02:49, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Fixed pings: @Maury Markowitz and DigitalIceAge: Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:14, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not surprising or interesting that they come out with better software that is more secure and less prone to bugs. (t · c) buidhe 12:14, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 23
[edit]Kyle Hergel
- ... that football player Kyle Hergel said his biggest strength was "my nastiness"?
- Source: For UND freshman offensive lineman Kyle Hergel, 'nasty' is a badge of honor ("At the UND football team’s fall camp Friday morning at Memorial Stadium, Hergel was asked to describe his strengths. 'My nastiness,' he said. 'I pride myself on being the meanest guy on the field at all times.'")
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/pending
- Comment: Seven minutes late. Hope that's alright.
BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:07, 31 August 2024 (UTC).
Elayne Harrington
- ... that Irish rapper Temper-Mental MissElayneous was arrested for lèse-majesté with a bodhrán?
- Source: Feehan, Conor (29 August 2013). "Riot-arrest rapper fronts Guinness ad". Irish Independent. Retrieved 23 August 2024.
- alt1 ... that when Temper-Mental MissElayneous was a child, she followed her mother to union meetings?
- Source:[1]
- Reviewed:
- Comment: I am the subject of this article (not the author), and it was suggested to me that I should try for DYK.
Elayne Adamczyk Harrington (talk) 16:49, 30 August 2024 (UTC).
- Comment. The proposed "hook" is not stated in the body and is not supported by either of the proposed references. Where does "arrested for lèse-majesté" ("defamation against the dignity of a ruling head of state"?) come from? The linked Evening Herald article says "arrested for breach of the peace and failure to comply with gardai". Not the offence we are listing here. And the linked Irish Independent (entertainment section) article also says "charged with threatening and abusive behaviour and failing to comply with gardai". Per WP:DYKRULES and WP:DYKHFC, the facts of the hook need to appear in the article (they don't), and the facts of the hook need to be supported by reliable references (they aren't). As it stands, the proposed hook text fails verification and doesn't meet DYK criteria. (Update: I can find no evidence that anyone [including the subject] has ever been arrested in Ireland for "lèse-majesté". There is nothing to indicate that any such offence or law is "on the books" in Ireland.) Guliolopez (talk) 11:46, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Correct, Ireland does not have "lèse-majesté" laws afaik. Being a republic and all that. It is intended to be humorous/non-literal, alluding to "arrested following protests during the Queen's visit in 2012." That is in the article. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:43, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hi. While I understand the humour aspect. And I know myself to be more of a pedant than most. But I'd suggest that "not true" is more accurate than "not literal". Per the guideline, hooks should (indeed) be interesting. But "interesting" shouldn't be prioritised to the extent that "accurate" is ignored. As you note, I don't think the proposed hook "works". Because it's not true or accurate. (We haven't exaggerated the facts - so much as we've changed them.) To the extent that, personally, I don't think that hook should be promoted to the homepage. (propose "... arrested
for lèse-majesté with a bodhránat a protest against Elizabeth II's 2011 state visit to Ireland" as alternative hook.) Guliolopez (talk) 14:31, 31 August 2024 (UTC)- Fair enough, alt will come. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:56, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hi. While I understand the humour aspect. And I know myself to be more of a pedant than most. But I'd suggest that "not true" is more accurate than "not literal". Per the guideline, hooks should (indeed) be interesting. But "interesting" shouldn't be prioritised to the extent that "accurate" is ignored. As you note, I don't think the proposed hook "works". Because it's not true or accurate. (We haven't exaggerated the facts - so much as we've changed them.) To the extent that, personally, I don't think that hook should be promoted to the homepage. (propose "... arrested
- Correct, Ireland does not have "lèse-majesté" laws afaik. Being a republic and all that. It is intended to be humorous/non-literal, alluding to "arrested following protests during the Queen's visit in 2012." That is in the article. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:43, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Maryvonne Le Dizès
- ... that Maryvonne Le Dizès, violinist of the ensemble intercontemporain, commissioned a trio for saxophone, trombone, and violin from Gilbert Amy for the ensemble? Source: [28]
- Reviewed: Cécile Fatiman
Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:16, 28 August 2024 (UTC).
Atsuko Tanaka (voice actress)
- ... that voice actress Atsuko Tanaka often named pandas? Source: TBSラジオ「安住紳一郎の日曜天国」のパンダ命名企画にラジオネーム「完熟マンゴー」として電話出演したものの、安住アナに声でバレてしまった過去もある。また、アドベンチャーワールドのジャイアントパンダ「結浜(ゆいひん)」、「彩浜(さいひん)」の名付け親の1人となった。 /She appeared under the radio name "Kanjuku Mango" on the TBS Radio's "Azumi Shin'ichirō no Nichiyō Tengoku" for a panda-naming project ... She was also one of the godparents of the giant pandas "Yuihin" and "Saihin" at Adventure World.
- ALT1: ... that voice actress Atsuko Tanaka was one of the godparents of two giant pandas at the Adventure World zoo? Source: As above
- ALT2: ... that Nicole Kidman's Japanese dub actress Atsuko Tanaka once called herself "the one person in Japan who underst[ood] her acting the best"? Source: ニコール・キッドマンとはとても相性の良さを感じています。演じやすいというか。日本中で彼女のお芝居を一番理解しているのは自分だと自負しています(笑)。/I feel that I have a very good chemistry with Nicole Kidman. It's easy to act with her. I'm proud to say that I'm the person in Japan who understands her acting the best (laughs).
- ALT3: ... that before her voice acting career, Atsuko Tanaka worked as a background extra for Shochiku while studying at Ferris University? Source: 大船の松竹撮影所が近かったので夏休みに演劇部仲間とエキストラのアルバイトをしていて、岩下志麻さんをお見かけした時はテンションが上がりました。/The Shochiku Ofuna studios were nearby, so during the summer holidays I worked part-time as an extra with my friends from the drama club [at Ferris University, and I got really excited when I saw Shima Iwashita.]
- ALT4: ... that Atsuko Tanaka turned to voice acting because she found it unreasonable to work as an office lady until retirement? Source: これから定年までOLをし続けるのって無理だって思いました...そして、安定はしていなくても、好きな仕事に就けたなら、やりがいもあるし、一生続けていけるんじゃないかなあと考え始めたわけです。―そんなとき、声優の仕事と出逢ったんですね。/TANAKA: I realized that it would be impossible for me to continue working as an office lady until retirement ... Then I started to think that even if it wasn't stable, if I could get a job I liked, it would be rewarding and I could do it for the rest of my life. [... INTERVIEWER: And that's when you discovered voice acting.]
- ALT5: ... that voice actress Atsuko Tanaka originally worked as an office lady in Tokyo? Source: 横浜で大学を卒業し、東京で民間企業の事務職に就いた。/I graduated from university in Yokohama and got a job as an office worker at a private company in Tokyo. + こういうやくざなことからは足を洗うんだと、OLになりました。/I decided to get away from all that rough stuff and became an office lady.
- ALT6: ... that although her parents initially disapproved of Atsuko Tanaka's voice acting career, they reconsidered after she starred in a Lupin the Third television special? Source: ルパン三世のヒロイン役で両親公認に ... OLを辞めて声優になると宣言したとき、ご家族の反応は?猛反対でした ... 1993年、30歳のとき、「ルパン三世ルパン暗殺指令」という作品のヒロインに抜擢していただきました。これはテレビでのオンエアですから、両親も見てくれたようです。/Approved by parents for the role of the heroine in Lupin III ... What was your family's reaction when you announced that you were going to quit your office job to become a voice actress? He was strongly against it ... In 1993, when I was 30 years old, I was chosen to play the heroine in the film "Lupin III: Orders to Assassinate Lupin." This was broadcast on television, so my parents also watched it.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ban Hyo-jin
- Comment: Expanded from 1126 (18 August) to 6336 (23 August, when almost all the expansion took place). There is an ITN nom (albeit improved a little too late; the section hadn't been updated in days when it was added), but it's recent deaths so should be fine.
ミラP@Miraclepine 16:20, 26 August 2024 (UTC).
Diet culture
- ... that diet culture was intertwined with scientific racism in the late 19th century, including the common belief among medical practitioners that black women were unable to control their consumption?
- Source: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-racist-roots-of-fighting-obesity2/, “In the eyes of many medical practitioners in the late 19th century, Black women were destined to die off along with the men of their race because of their presumed inability to control their “animal appetites”—eating, drinking and fornicating. These presumptions were not backed by scientific data but instead embodied the prevailing racial scientific logic at the time. Later, some doctors wanted to push Black men to reform their aesthetic preferences. Valorizing voluptuousness in Black women, these physicians claimed, validated their unhealthy diets, behaviors and figures.”
- Reviewed:
- Comment: I’m open to alternative hook ideas. Thank you very much!
FortunateSons (talk) 17:20, 23 August 2024 (UTC).
- I made an error: I wrote the article through AfC, but I’m not the person who moved it into mainspace. Can I just fix that manually, or is there a different way to do it? FortunateSons (talk) 17:25, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
Dilaw (Maki song)
- ... that "Dilaw" was a dominant song in the Philippines and gained international recognition?
- Source: ABS-CBN, Billboard Philippines
- ALT1: ... that "Dilaw" reached the top spot on Billboard Philippines Hot 100 and Top Philippines Songs chart and entered the Spotify Global Chart at 200?
- Source: ABS-CBN NEWS. Billboard Philippines
- ALT2: ... that the creator of "Dilaw" is a leading OPM artist with the most listeners on Spotify?
- Source: ABS-CBN CORPORATE, TRIBUNE
- Reviewed:
- Comment: The title of Dilaw (Maki song) changed to Dilaw (song).
Royiswariii (talk) 16:01, 23 August 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review, but the hooks are a bit suspicious. The hooks have a summary of the song, which isn't regularly added to hooks, maybe trim like this? ALT0:... that "Dilaw" was the dominating song in the Philippines and international too? and ALT1: ... that "Dilaw" was entered on Billboard Philippines securing the number one spot, and the Spotify Global Chart entered at number 200? and I also saw two "hooks" in alt1, which can be added here, ALT2: ... that the creator of the song Dilaw is a male OPM artist with the most listeners on Spotify? Thanks,
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
11:53, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your suggestion @🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 I'll fix the Hook. ALT1 and ALT2. Royiswariii (talk) 04:30, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
Typhoon Virginia (1957)
- ... that along with fatalities and damages, 1957's Typhoon Virginia also damaged 14 ships?
- Source: SRC
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
13:18, 23 August 2024 (UTC).
Typhoons in Taiwan
- ... that missionary George Leslie Mackay recorded 19 typhoons affecting Taiwan in the 1890s?
- Source: PDF
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
07:26, 23 August 2024 (UTC).
Current nominations
[edit]Articles created/expanded on August 24
[edit]Statue of John Stockton
- ... that the sculptor re-positioned the statue of John Stockton about 20 times by using a wrench to adjust ball-and-socket joints on steel rods?
- Source: [2]
- ALT1: ... that the statue of John Stockton was adorned with a mask during the COVID-19 pandemic? Source: [3][4]
- Reviewed: 0
Left guide (talk) 13:53, 26 August 2024 (UTC).
References
- ^ O’Connor, Ruth. "Inspiring women, inspiring stories" (PDF). National Women's Council of Ireland. pp. 7–8. Retrieved 23 August 2024.
- ^ Robinson, Doug (June 14, 2004). "Sculpting Stockton no way a slam-dunk". Deseret News. Retrieved August 24, 2024.
- ^ Kalbrosky, Bryan (January 25, 2022). "Somebody put a mask on a John Stockton statue because he refuses to do it himself". USA Today. Retrieved August 24, 2024.
- ^ McCarriston, Shanna (January 25, 2022). "Fan puts face mask on John Stockton statue outside of Jazz's Vivint Arena". CBS Sports. Retrieved August 24, 2024.
Bed Chem
- ... that one of Barry Keoghan's favorite songs by Sabrina Carpenter is a "horny" one that contains several euphemisms about penis sizes?
- ALT1: ... that "bed chem" is short for "bedroom chemistry"? Source: Slate
- ALT2: ... that it was "real hot and heavy" in the studio where Sabrina Carpenter recorded the song "Bed Chem"? Source: Paper
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Wake Me Up When September Ends
- Comment: I think the mysterious element of ALT1 is beneficial to interestingness but I am open to suggestions.
NØ 14:11, 25 August 2024 (UTC).
Albert Bumgardner
- ... that the Pacific Architect & Builder boosted Albert Bumgardner's career after he designed the magazine's office building?
Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 19:27, 24 August 2024 (UTC).
Ibsen Nelsen
- ... that Dust Bowl refugee Ibsen Nelsen received the Purple Heart and the Fellowship of the American Institute of Architects?
Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 19:17, 24 August 2024 (UTC).
Slave-owning slaves
- ... that in some human societies there were slaves who owned slaves (example pictured)?
- Source: Gamauf (2023),"Peculium: Paradoxes of Slaves With Property". In Schermaier, Martin (ed.). The Position of Roman Slaves: Social Realities and Legal Differences. Berlin and Boston: De Gruyter. pp. 87–124. doi:10.1515/9783110987195.
- Reviewed:
Ttocserp 15:37, 24 August 2024 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing: - Per DYK rules, you need at minimum one citation at the end of each paragraph that covers all content preceding it. You also need a source for all statements introduced in captions (not cited elsewhere in the article) that go beyond identification of the image's subject. I've added some cn tags where a citation is missing, or axed transition sentences that Wikipedia tends not to use, but I may have missed some.
- Neutral: - I'd like to see the talk page complaint resolved
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation |
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QPQ: None required. |
Overall: Interesting article. Please consider WP:GAN! (t · c) buidhe 00:44, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Typhoon Nat (1991)
- ... that 1991's Typhoon Nat was described as having an erroneous track (pictured)?
- Source: Hong Kong Government
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
12:36, 24 August 2024 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing: - The section titled Analysis is missing an inline citation.
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Hook eligibility:
- Cited: - The hook is located under Analysis, which contains no inline citations.
- Interesting:
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px. |
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QPQ: Done. |
Overall: The above issues need to be addressed. Also, the article calls the track "erratic," which makes more sense than "erroneous," which is the word the hook uses. Ergo Sum 16:01, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 25
[edit]Self-Ish
- ... that multiple songs on Self-Ish express amnesia caused by recreational drug use?
- ALT1: ... that Self-Ish had frenetic two-hour writing sessions containing screaming because Will Wood was unmedicated? Source: https://nyunews.com/arts/music/2022/04/29/will-wood-interview-in-case-i-make-it/
- Reviewed:
Koopastar (talk) 07:11, 31 August 2024 (UTC).
Happy of the End
- ... that Ogeretsu Tanaka wanted to draw a manga series featuring scenery in Shinjuku, which led to the creation of Happy of the End?
- ALT1: ... that Ogeretsu Tanaka was inspired to create the manga series Happy of the End after taking a morning walk in Shinjuku? Source: https://www.chil-chil.net/compNewsDetail/k/801authors108/no/26553/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Statue of Dirk Nowitzki
lullabying (talk) 03:50, 31 August 2024 (UTC).
Senior assassin
- ... that to win the game senior assassin, twelfth graders are encouraged to ambush fellow participating students with water guns? (Source)
Johnson524 21:20, 29 August 2024 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
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Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Interesting: - The current hook is all right, but I feel like there's the potential for other hooks. For example, the fact that high school seniors can pay to assassinate other students, or the fact that some students playing the game were once held at gunpoint with a real gun.
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: @Johnson524: Nice work on the article. I just had one question about the hooks. Epicgenius (talk) 19:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Diaspora Revolt
- ... that a festival celebrating the Roman victory over the Jews in the Diaspora Revolt of 115–117 CE was still observed 80 years later in the Egyptian city of Oxyrhynchus?
- Source: Pucci Ben Zeev, Miriam (2006). "The Uprisings in the Jewish Diaspora, 116–117". In Katz, Steven T. (ed.). The Late Roman-Rabbinic Period. The Cambridge History of Judaism. Vol. 4th. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-0-521-77248-8. pp. 96–98
- ALT1: ... that the Roman suppression of the Diaspora Revolt of 115–117 CE led to the near-total annihilation and displacement of Jewish communities from Cyrenaica, Cyprus, and many parts of Egypt? Source: Kerkeslager, Allen (2006). "The Jews in Egypt and Cyrenaica, 66–c. 235 CE". In Katz, Steven T. (ed.). The Late Roman-Rabbinic Period. The Cambridge History of Judaism. Vol. 4th. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-0-521-77248-8. pp. 61–62
- Reviewed:
Mariamnei (talk) 12:46, 28 August 2024 (UTC).
Pell v The Queen
- ... that in Pell v The Queen, the High Court of Australia unanimously overturned Cardinal George Pell's conviction for child sex offences?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Palace Theater Light
- Comment: Open for alternative hooks
— MaxnaCarta ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:59, 27 August 2024 (UTC).
2024 Ohio Issue 1
- ... that the Republican-led Ohio Ballot Board was sued because its official summary for Ohio Issue 1, designed to improve redistricting, stated instead that the initiative would require gerrymandering?
- Source: the Board's summary "describes the amendment, which is specifically intended to prevent partisan gerrymandering, as specifically requiring it."
- ALT1: ... that advocates for Ohio Issue 1, an initiative to stop partisan gerrymandering, sued the Republican-led Ballot Board for a summary that claimed the 2024 initiative would require gerrymandering? Source: see above. On the parties to the lawsuit itself, see: https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/ohio-group-garners-over-700000-signatures-for-ballot-initiative-to-end-gerrymandering/
- ALT2: ... that Ohio Issue 1 was created to end partisan gerrymandering after 5 redistricting maps by the Republican-led legislature were rejected by the Ohio Supreme Court -- and flawed maps were used in 2022? Source: "Courts rejected two congressional maps and five sets of Statehouse maps as gerrymandered. Amid the court disputes, Ohio’s elections were allowed to proceed last year under the flawed maps." https://apnews.com/article/ohio-redistricting-constitutional-amendment-attorney-general-e3e8759ceeabc9538dd4bd49b6c84b52
- Reviewed:
- Comment: I hope the hooks and article are carefully NPOV. Reliable sources usually mention that the legislature and ballot board are Republican-led, since gerrymandering is about partisanship. Fwiw, Issue 1 proponents are described in the press as bipartisan.
ProfGray (talk) 17:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC).
Time (2021 film)
- ... that Patrick Tse won the Hong Kong Film Award for Best Actor with the film Time at the age of 85, making him the oldest recipient of the award?
Prince of Erebor(The Book of Mazarbul) 13:19, 26 August 2024 (UTC).
References
- ^ Lim, Ruey Yan (18 July 2022). "Patrick Tse is oldest Best Actor winner at Hong Kong Film Awards". The Straits Times. Archived from the original on 24 August 2024. Retrieved 24 August 2024.
Veteran actor Patrick Tse has become the oldest actor to win the Best Actor prize at the Hong Kong Film Awards (HKFA) on Sunday (July 17), while Anita, the biopic on late Cantopop superstar Anita Mui, was the biggest winner with five awards. Tse, 85, won the award for his role as a retired assassin in the black comedy Time, which also starred veteran actress Petrina Fung Bo Bo, actor Lam Suet and former radio DJ Chung Suet Ying.
- ^ "Dad joins son with film award". The Standard. 19 July 2022. Archived from the original on 19 July 2022. Retrieved 24 August 2024.
Patrick Tse Yin, aged 85, has become the oldest Best Actor winner in the Hong Kong Film Awards for his role in the 2021 film Time.
Tropical Storm Kai-tak
- ... that the government used military trucks and bulldozers to rescue people from a tropical storm?
- Source: Bulldozers Military trucks
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
01:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC).
- Article is in good shape, recently promoted to GA. The hook checks, though the provided source on bulldozers was incorrect -- I have changed it. It might not be the most interesting, given that trucks and bulldozers are commonly used in disaster recovery operations -- could you perhaps suggest a few ALTs?
- I would like to see source data information for File:Urduja 17 Animation.gif, but that is not strictly a requirement for GA, and the article would also benefit from some further copyediting. I can find no evidence of the supposed CC1.0 licence on File:Kai-tak imerg 13-18 december 2017 animated.gif and File:Analysis of Tropical Storm Kai-Tak.jpg, but both should be PD as the work of a US government employee. I can find no other copyvio, BLP or other serious concerns.
- QPQ needs to be done. UndercoverClassicist T·C 16:16, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weird, but I'll try: ALT1: ... that Tropical Storm Kai-tak weakened and strengthened multiple times? [29] [30].
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
04:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weird, but I'll try: ALT1: ... that Tropical Storm Kai-tak weakened and strengthened multiple times? [29] [30].
- Again, I'm not sure we've passed the threshold of interest there -- most tropical storms do that, and it's not particularly interesting that they do. Per WP:DYKINT:
The hook should be likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest
. Can you find anything in the article that would meet that -- for example, things which apply only to this particular storm, or might otherwise be surprising and motivate a reader to click on the article? UndercoverClassicist T·C 08:45, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Again, I'm not sure we've passed the threshold of interest there -- most tropical storms do that, and it's not particularly interesting that they do. Per WP:DYKINT:
- @TheNuggeteer: Please provide a QPQ as soon as possible, as the nomination may be closed without warning if one is not given within a reasonable timeframe. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:53, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Milan A. P. Harminc
- ... that when World War II began, the consul-general of the Slovak Republic in London, Milan A. P. Harminc, broke with his government and sided with the Allies?
- Source: Mikuláš Teich, Dušan Kováč, Martin D. Brown. Slovakia in History. Cambridge University Press, 2011. pp. 194-195
Soman (talk) 18:11, 25 August 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on August 26
[edit]Rooms by the Sea
- ... that Edward Hopper sold some beachfront property to a New York art gallery?
Sources: "When he wrote to his dealer about the picture, an austere view out the door of his Truro studio...directly on the water of the bay, he noted only: 'I have finished a canvas am [sic] hoping to get another before we leave here'." Levin, Gail (1998). Hopper's Places (2nd ed). University of California Press. pp. XI. ISBN 9780520216761. OCLC 1228847942. "[Art collector Stephen Carlton Clark] bought Rooms by the Sea...and kept it for the remainder of his life. Hopper's wife, Jo, in the notebook she used to record her husband's sales, noted next to Clark's name in the entry for this picture, 'snapped up at once before shown publicly'." [...] "Purchased by SCC from Rehn Gallery, New York". Vincent, Gilbert T.; Sarah Lees (2006). "A Life with Art: Stephen Carlton Clark as Collector and Philanthropist". The Clark Brothers Collect: Impressionist and Early Modern Paintings. Sterling and Francine Clark Art Institute. pp. 186, 332. ISBN 0300116195. OCLC 1110377214
Viriditas (talk) 23:02, 29 August 2024 (UTC).
Tauba Tauba (song)
- ... that Karan Aujla's Hindi-language single "Tauba Tauba" from the film Bad Newz became a Billboard Hot 100 Top 25 ahead of the film's 19 July 2024 release?
- ALT1: ... that Karan Aujla's Hindi-language single "Tauba Tauba" from the film Bad Newz peaked at #1 on the Billboard India, and UK Asian charts ahead of the film's 19 July 2024 release? Source: https://www.billboard.com/charts/india-songs-hotw/2024-07-20/ and https://www.officialcharts.com/charts/asian-music-chart/20240719/asian/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Doris Ilda Allen
KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 06:40, 27 August 2024 (UTC).
YSL RICO trial
- ... that the YSL RICO trial, involving rapper Young Thug, became the longest criminal trial in Georgia's history?
- ALT1: ... that Young Thug's lawyer claimed during the YSL RICO trial that the "Thug" in his name stands for "Truly Humbled Under God"? Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/young-thugs-name-stands-truly-humble-under-god-defense-lawyer-2023-11
- ALT2: ... that song lyrics from Young Thug and other YSL defendants were allowed as evidence in the YSL RICO trial? Source: https://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-rules-rap-lyrics-conditionally-evidence-young-thug/story?id=104760646
- ALT3: ... that during the YSL RICO trial, defense attorney Brian Steel was jailed after refusing to reveal the source of information about an alleged secret meeting between the judge and the prosecution? Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/music/2024/06/12/young-thug-ysl-rico-trial-explained/
- ALT4: ... that during the YSL RICO trial, a drug exchange took place in the courtroom between Young Thug and a co-defendant, leading to new charges? Source: https://www.nbcmiami.com/entertainment/entertainment-news/young-thug-and-kahlieff-adams-made-hand-to-hand-drug-exchange-in-court-prosecutors-say/2955162/
- Reviewed: Thomas Bertrand-Hudon
C F A 💬 02:14, 27 August 2024 (UTC).
Félag hljómplötuframleiðenda
- ... that in 2007–2008, Félag hljómplötuframleiðenda tried to close the Istorrent file sharing website, but failed? Source: Félag hljómplötuframleiðenda sem fóru fram á lögbannið á vefnum (Félag hljómplötuframleiðenda requested the ban on the website); Félag Hljómplötuframleiðenda sem höfða málið (Félag hljómplötuframleiðenda is suing the case); "Torrent.is Wins Case. To Re-open May 16th". Archived from the original on 2018-02-28.
The Supreme Court... dismissed the case over legal formalities.
- ALT1: ... that in 2007–2008, Félag hljómplötuframleiðenda tried to close the Istorrent file sharing website, but the Supreme Court of Iceland dismissed the case? Source: Same as above
- ALT2: ... that only about ten titles have been awarded multi-platinum status by Félag hljómplötuframleiðenda in Iceland? Source: Aðeins um tíu titlar hafa náð slíkri sölu. (Only about ten titles have achieved such sales)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/UnMetal
Muhandes (talk) 11:25, 26 August 2024 (UTC).
Michael P. Walsh (Jesuit)
- ... that Michael P. Walsh oversaw the construction of 15 buildings as president of Boston College?
- Source: Clark, Alfred E. (April 24, 1982). "Rev. Michael Walsh, Headed Fordham During Fiscal Crisis". The New York Times. p. 11. Archived from the original on November 19, 2022. Retrieved August 28, 2023.: "During his years at Boston College, he saw its enrollment greatly expand, supervised the construction of 15 new buildings..."
Ergo Sum 04:51, 26 August 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on August 27
[edit]Hermética (album)
- ... that thrash metal band Hermética has a failed project to release a version of their debut album in English?
- Source: Juan Ignacio Provéndola (May 7, 2018). "Hermética: diez curiosidades a 30 años de su debut" [Hermética: 10 trivia 30 years after their debut] (in Spanish). La izquierda diario. Retrieved August 28, 2024.
- ALT1: ... that "Desde el oeste", from Hermética's debut album, was the first recorded song singed by Ricardo Iorio? Source: Blumetti, Frank; Mora, Miguel (October 1993). "Hermética: el sonido de la gente". Madhouse Extra (in Spanish) (2). Buenos Aires: Editorial Llamoso: 14.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Vadym Sukharevsky
Cambalachero (talk) 15:08, 28 August 2024 (UTC).
Centre of Indian Communists
- ... that the Centre of Indian Communists was banned by the Indian central government in July 1975?
- Source: Manoranjan Mohanty. Revolutionary Violence: A Study of the Maoist Movement in India. Sterling Publishers, 1977. pp. xxi, 166
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Flag of Rwanda
- Comment: In 2019 this article was converted into a long incoherent essay, with most of the material unrelated to CIC and references used that didn't mention the group at all. I removed all of that, and began expanding from how the article had looked before.
Soman (talk) 22:16, 27 August 2024 (UTC).
- I'm going to WP:BOLDLY reject this nom. Uncited and rambling-essay-like text still counts as part of the word count especially when it's around ~ 3 years (unless the text was a copyvio). The way I see it, you went from a 8453 byte article to a 2372 byte article which isn't what DYK eligibility is about. (If I have made a mistake, any reviewer is free to overturn this descision.) Sohom (talk) 03:10, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
I'm confused: did you mean to comment on this nomination, or a different one? This is your own nomination, but your comment above seems to be talking about a nomination other than your own. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:06, 29 August 2024 (UTC)@Sohom Datta: Fixed ping. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)- Narutolovehinata5 The account creating the nom is Soman (who has been around for a lot longer) and I'm Sohom Datta, both of whom are very different people. Sohom (talk) 11:13, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry about that, I got confused there; I even tried using hovercards to make sure I wasn't seeing things. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:17, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- This does seem like this could qualify for IAR, given that the content removed qualified for WP:TNT. I've had a couple of articles accepted on similar grounds (Donna Taggart due to COI expansions, Simone Murphy for BLP violations). That said, a lead section should probably be added and probably some subsections.--Launchballer 14:00, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Lede expanded and sections added. --Soman (talk) 22:30, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- This does seem like this could qualify for IAR, given that the content removed qualified for WP:TNT. I've had a couple of articles accepted on similar grounds (Donna Taggart due to COI expansions, Simone Murphy for BLP violations). That said, a lead section should probably be added and probably some subsections.--Launchballer 14:00, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry about that, I got confused there; I even tried using hovercards to make sure I wasn't seeing things. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:17, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Narutolovehinata5 The account creating the nom is Soman (who has been around for a lot longer) and I'm Sohom Datta, both of whom are very different people. Sohom (talk) 11:13, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Aviation Accidents in Japan Involving U.S. Military and Government Aircraft Post-World War II
- ... that a secret CIA U-2 spy plane crash-landed in Japan in 1959, sparking a Cold War mystery and cover-up, later shot down by the Soviet Air Defence Forces?
- Source: https://books.google.fr/books?id=uOcrDF0y-CAC&pg=PR7&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=2#v=snippet&q=Fujisawa&f=false (Click on "page 151")
- Reviewed:
Global Donald (talk) 02:19, 27 August 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on August 28
[edit]Poecilia vandepolli
- ... that the small fish species Poecilia vandepolli existed, then it did not, and now it does again?
- Source: "Poecilia vandepolli Van Lidth de Jeude, 1887 is re-examined and resurrected from synonymy as the Antillian representative of P. sphenops Valenciennes, 1846." [31]
- ALT1: ... that the small fish species Poecilia vandepolli was resurrected in 1992? Source: "Poecilia vandepolli Van Lidth de Jeude, 1887 is re-examined and resurrected from synonymy as the Antillian representative of P. sphenops Valenciennes, 1846." [32]
- ALT2: ... that Vandepoll's molly solves food shortage problems by eating its own offspring? Source: "In a confined area, only lack of food seems to keep down the population at a certain density. The offspring will for the greater part either starve to death or be consumed by the cannibalistic adults, the latter phenomenon being more important than the former as we know from looking at the stomach contents." [33]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Juan de Casas
Surtsicna (talk) 17:54, 31 August 2024 (UTC).
Eniaios
- ... that the ongoing premiere of Gregory Markopoulos's Eniaios started 20 years ago?
- Source: "Since 2004, the work has been revealed two or three cycles at a time, at intervals of four years" [34]
hinnk (talk) 22:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC).
Maximiliano Hernández Martínez
- ... that Maximiliano Hernández Martínez (pictured) was responsible for the deaths of up to 40,000 Salvadoran peasants during La Matanza?
- Source: Tulchin, Joseph S. & Bland, Gary, eds. (1992). "Is There a Transition to Democracy in El Salvador?". p. 167
- ALT1: ... that although Maximiliano Hernández Martínez (pictured) was a fascist, he declared war on the Axis powers during World War II? Source: Astilla, Carmelo Francisco Esmeralda (1976). "The Martinez Era: Salvadoran–American Relations, 1931–1944". pp. 151, 169, 184
- ALT2: ... that Maximiliano Hernández Martínez (pictured) married Arturo Araujo's mistress in order to be his running mate in the 1931 Salvadoran general election? Source: Anderson, Thomas P. (1971). "Matanza: El Salvador's Communist Revolt of 1932". p. 50
- ALT3: ... that the 1939 constitution of El Salvador prohibited re-election, but it granted an explicit exception to incumbent president Maximiliano Hernández Martínez (pictured)? Source: Rauda Zablah, Nelson (11 September 2023). "Re-Election in El Salvador Rhymes with Dictatorship".
- ALT4: ... that Maximiliano Hernández Martínez (pictured) believed in the occult and regularly performed séances at his home while he served as president of El Salvador? Source: Anderson, Thomas P. (1971). "Matanza: El Salvador's Communist Revolt of 1932". p. 51
- ALT5: ... that Maximiliano Hernández Martínez (pictured) believed that hanging colored lights across San Salvador would cure a smallpox epidemic? Source: Haggerty, Richard A., ed. (1990). "El Salvador: A Country Study" (2nd ed.) p. 17
- ALT6: ... that Maximiliano Hernández Martínez (pictured) sold remedies as president of El Salvador which supposedly cured various illnesses, earning him the reputation of being a witch doctor? Source: Anderson, Thomas P. (1971). "Matanza: El Salvador's Communist Revolt of 1932". pp. 50–51 Astilla, Carmelo Francisco Esmeralda (1976). "The Martinez Era: Salvadoran–American Relations, 1931–1944". p. 43
- Reviewed:
- Comment: This guy was such a bizarre character that several more hooks could be created if necessary. I just proposed some of the ones I think are the most strange and interesting.
PizzaKing13 (¡Hablame!) 🍕👑 15:30, 30 August 2024 (UTC).
Victoria Siddall
- ... that Victoria Siddall is the first woman appointed Director of the National Portrait Gallery, London, in its 168 year history?
- ALT1: ... that Victoria Siddall is the 13th Director of the National Portrait Gallery, the first woman in 168 years to be appointed the role? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/article/2024/aug/28/victoria-siddall-national-portrait-gallery-first-female-director
- Reviewed:
- Comment: I also submitted this for a News feature, but perhaps a DYK is more appropriate if the National Portrait Gallery isn't considered big enough for News? http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#Victoria_Siddall
Medievalfran (talk) 15:24, 30 August 2024 (UTC).
El Eternauta: tercera parte
- ... that El Eternauta: tercera parte kept its creator Héctor Germán Oesterheld as a viewpoint character, even though he was dead?
- Source: Daniel Riera (April 27, 2022). "El Eternauta: la inmortal historieta de Héctor Oesterheld, el guionista desaparecido" [The Eternaut: the immortal comic of Héctor Oesterheld, the disappeared writer] (in Spanish). Big Bang News. Retrieved August 29, 2024.
Cambalachero (talk) 18:49, 29 August 2024 (UTC).
Over My Dead Body (2023 film)
- ... that Jer Lau, who starred in the film Over My Dead Body, also performed its theme song because the director felt his role was too minor?
- Source: [1]
Prince of Erebor(The Book of Mazarbul) 12:45, 29 August 2024 (UTC).
References
- ^ "死屍死時四十四|何爵天專訪 自認鏡粉睇中「Jerdan」化學作用 搵柳應廷唱高難度主題曲「加戲」" (in Chinese). am730. 26 March 2023. Archived from the original on 28 August 2024. Retrieved 26 August 2024.
何導更自爆嫌客串演出的阿Jer戲份太少,故特地找他唱高難度的電影主題曲《鹹魚遊戲》,並呼籲觀眾要一戲呵成聽埋首主題曲。
[Director Ho (Cheuk Tin) even revealed that he found Jer Lau's cameo role too small, so he specifically invited him to sing the challenging theme song "Salted Fish Game" as well, urging the audience to listen closely to the theme song as they watch the film.]
G. R. Pantouw
- ... that G. R. Pantouw supported the State of East Indonesia because he wanted to push the Netherlands into abandoning colonialism?
- Source: "Pantouw was fully aware that the NIT was widely regarded as a Dutch puppet. But he was determined to turn it into a tool to push the Dutch into ending their colonialism." ("From the Parliament to the Streets: The State of East Indonesia, 1946–1950", pp. 205–206)
- Reviewed:
Kaythehistorian (talk) 01:31, 29 August 2024 (UTC).
Kitsap (Suquamish leader)
- ... that in 1825, the Suquamish leader Kitsap led an alliance of tribes stretching from the Columbia River to Puget Sound to stop the Cowichan slave raids wreaking havoc on the Sound?
- Source: Buerge (2017)[35] p.33: "....when the Suquamish chief Kitsap organized a confederacy to meet a threat from the north."
Ibid. p. 41-42: "The most feared were the Cowichan ... Slave raids had led the Cowichan far from their homes in search of human merchandise ... by spreading havoc on the sound, they likely intended to eliminate rivals and make the HBC come to them"
Ibid. p.42: "The confederation Kitsap engineered stretched from central Puget Sound to the Columbia River, and Old Man House was its nexus."
Ibid. p. 43: "The attack likely took place around 1825 ... Kitsap and other Suquamish men took the lead"- Reviewed:
PersusjCP (talk) 16:51, 28 August 2024 (UTC).
- QPQ done: Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Counterintelligence_Group PersusjCP (talk) 16:54, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Alfred Sully
- ... that Alfred Sully (pictured), who led U.S. Army troops during the Sioux Wars, was married to a Yankton Sioux woman?
- Source: From September 1856 through May 1857, while serving at Fort Pierre, he met and, by Sioux tribal custom, married a young French-Yankton girl of the Yankton Sioux tribe. (Deloria - page 44)
- ALT1: ... that U.S. Army Colonel Alfred Sully (pictured) ordered the severed heads of the native Americans responsible for killing one of his officers placed on stakes? Source: In response to the killing of his topographical engineer, Captain John Feilner, on June 28, 1864, Sully ordered the severed heads of the native Americans responsible placed on stakes overlooking the Missouri River as a warning. (Doane Robinson Collection and Schusky page 52)
- Reviewed:
Dwkaminski (talk) 16:05, 28 August 2024 (UTC).
- I'll review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:34, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Article looks mostly good; however, the sentence From September 1856 through May 1857, while serving at Fort Pierre, he met and, by Sioux tribal custom, married a young French-Yankton girl of the Yankton Sioux tribe.
needs to have a direct citation as its the DYK hook. Also, do you think you could provide for me a quote for what part of the book verifies it? (seems I've missed it) – a QPQ also needs to be done. When approved, my preference is for ALT0. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:26, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- I added Deloria pp 29-30 for that line and it is also referenced in the descendant section with mention of his wife and daughter (ref to Deloria page 35)
Tilman Michael
- ... that Tilman Michael was appointed chorus master of the Metropolitan Opera from the 2024/25 season, after ten years at the Oper Frankfurt? Source: [36]
- Reviewed: Margrit Waltz
- Comment: Many papers took that press release - it's sort of breaking news for a change, I tried to reserve this for his first production at the Met but couldn't yet find it. The season opens on 23 September with a piece that seems to be without chorus, and for the second night I couldn't find details yet, - it's a repertoire piece that may have been prepared by his predecessor.
Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:06, 28 August 2024 (UTC).
- Right now the main issue I have with the article is the sourcing of the article. A lot of it is cited to the Metropolitan Opera press release, which isn't an independent source. I'm not sure about his relationship to the Dresdner Philharmonie (it's not made clear in the article), but if he was affiliated with them at that point, that would mean most of the article is not cited to an independent source. Citing to non-independent sources isn't prohibited and it's often fine, but it's not ideal and there are editors at DYK that may object to it as not meeting WP:PRIMARY. If he was never affiliated with the Dresdner Philharmonie then my issue is resolved since that counts as an independent source; otherwise, the article will need to be beefed up with additional sourcing.
- Another concern is the hook. I have mixed feelings if it meets WP:DYKINT. On the one hand, being appointed to such a position in an institution as prestigious as the Met is a great achievement. On the other hand, DYK is not fond of these "people doing their jobs" hooks and other editors have objected to similar hooks in the past. At best, the hook may marginally meet DYKINT and I'm inclined to decline the hook at this point, especially if alternatives can be proposed.
- Otherwise, the article appears to meet DYK requirements: a QPQ has been done and the article is both new enough and long enough, with the hook being cited and referenced. For now, my suggestions are to clarify his relationship in this nomination page about his relationship with the Dresdner Philharmonie, and to suggest alternate hooks (ideally ones that aren't just simply "he is doing his job" hooks). The article is somewhat lacking on his personal life or information about his life before starting his career, so if those are expanded, there may be some usable hooks. The "Opera of the year" fact might be a good starting point for an alternative hook, especially if the article can't be expanded further. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:18, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Also pinging CurryTime7-24 for possible hook suggestions as well as help regarding the sourcing, as they usually know how to make effective non-specialist opera/classical music hooks. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:21, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for thinking of me. Let me take a look at this tomorrow and see if I can come up with some ideas. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 05:21, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: For what it's worth, I gave it a try. I found a couple more articles on Tilman Michael, including one from the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung. All of them repeat the information already cited from other sources here. Couldn't find anything that really pops for an appealing alternative hook. Sorry to not be of more help. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 00:57, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for thinking of me. Let me take a look at this tomorrow and see if I can come up with some ideas. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 05:21, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- User:Narutolovehinata5, what in the term "breaking news" did you not understand, stress on "news"? Do you understand "Press release". How many news organs should be cited? The FR, BR and Stuttgarter Zeitung are already there, with "the same news". There are also SWR, FAZ /subscription), Die Zeit (subscription), The New York Times (subscription), countless others. The secondary sources repeat the primary, and what else could they do? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:12, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- The sources you provided aren't currently in the article, that is the issue. They have to be added to the article to address the concerns about primary sourcing. Yes, I understand press releases: they are generally not considered independent sources for Wikipedia purposes. Actually, I'll ping Epicgenius and ask him to explain what the issue is with independent and non-primary sourcing here as there seems to be confusion about the problem. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:30, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- The New York Times source is "By Javier C. Hernández", so its not a primary source. Grimes2 (talk) 09:04, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Grimes2: I was referring to the sources currently in the article, specifically the Metropolitan Opera press release. Adding the New York Times source to the article (since it's not currently there) would actually help solve my concern. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:11, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, Grimes2, for adding the NYT (as I found when I wanted to add it). User:Narutolovehinata5, I still don't understand why the NYT solves your "problem", but FR doesn't solve it. Because it is written in German? ... by a woman? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:44, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- We should prefer English sources for English Wikipedia, if available. Grimes2 (talk) 09:55, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, that's why the press release is there. Otherwise we could do without it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:01, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Agree. Found this: Uncontroversial Information – Press releases can be used if the information it is citing is uncontroversial. This could include things such as a company name change, product release, or someone’s employment. Grimes2 (talk) 10:09, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- There seems to be a language barrier here as the issue was never about the other sources being in German. The issue is that multiple statements in the article were referenced either to the Metropolitan Opera press release (which is not an independent source as Michael is affiliated with them), or the Dresdner Philharmonie profile. I inquired if he was ever affiliated with the Dresdner Philharmonie and I never got a proper response, so here's the issue: if he was affiliated with them at some point, that would mean the Dresdner Philharmonie source is also not independent, meaning most of the article is cited towards non-independent sources. However, if he was never affiliated at all, then that means the Dresdner Philharmonie is independent, and thus it would mean my concern about the article being heavily based on non-independent sources was mistaken. Regarding the use of independent sources: for uncontroversial information it should be fine and I'm willing to accept that in this case, but the problem is that other DYK regulars can be pretty strict regarding that and may raise objections. The New York Times article does help since it adds variety to the sourcing, but if most of the article is still based on the Met Opera link, that might raise eyebrows from other editors or the promoter (not necessarily from me). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:32, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Done I've added some additional sources. Grimes2 (talk) 11:44, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, I added you to the authors. I added about the selection process from ref Blum (The Independent). Dresden: it's in the article that he worked for the Semperoper in Dresden. I picked the Dresden bio - of several similar ones - because it is in English. It's just a standard bio of factual stations of a career. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:21, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Done I've added some additional sources. Grimes2 (talk) 11:44, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- There seems to be a language barrier here as the issue was never about the other sources being in German. The issue is that multiple statements in the article were referenced either to the Metropolitan Opera press release (which is not an independent source as Michael is affiliated with them), or the Dresdner Philharmonie profile. I inquired if he was ever affiliated with the Dresdner Philharmonie and I never got a proper response, so here's the issue: if he was affiliated with them at some point, that would mean the Dresdner Philharmonie source is also not independent, meaning most of the article is cited towards non-independent sources. However, if he was never affiliated at all, then that means the Dresdner Philharmonie is independent, and thus it would mean my concern about the article being heavily based on non-independent sources was mistaken. Regarding the use of independent sources: for uncontroversial information it should be fine and I'm willing to accept that in this case, but the problem is that other DYK regulars can be pretty strict regarding that and may raise objections. The New York Times article does help since it adds variety to the sourcing, but if most of the article is still based on the Met Opera link, that might raise eyebrows from other editors or the promoter (not necessarily from me). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:32, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Agree. Found this: Uncontroversial Information – Press releases can be used if the information it is citing is uncontroversial. This could include things such as a company name change, product release, or someone’s employment. Grimes2 (talk) 10:09, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, that's why the press release is there. Otherwise we could do without it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:01, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- We should prefer English sources for English Wikipedia, if available. Grimes2 (talk) 09:55, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, Grimes2, for adding the NYT (as I found when I wanted to add it). User:Narutolovehinata5, I still don't understand why the NYT solves your "problem", but FR doesn't solve it. Because it is written in German? ... by a woman? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:44, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Grimes2: I was referring to the sources currently in the article, specifically the Metropolitan Opera press release. Adding the New York Times source to the article (since it's not currently there) would actually help solve my concern. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:11, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- You are wrong, three news sources are provided in the article, one (FR) with an author. I added some notable others 'here" but 1) I see no need for repetition, 2) I don't believe that subscription sources help our readers much, 3) I can't see those so hesitated to use them. However, I'll add NYT now to please you, but can't see why you don't trust the information, when all these publications do. "There seems to be confusion about the problem." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- I appreciate the ping, Narutolovehinata5. The issue with press releases is that they would be considered both self-published and primary sources, and press releases in general tend to only highlight one side of the story. As such, they don't contribute to a subject's notability, and articles that rely on press releases are more likely to be challenged at articles for deletion. With a newspaper like the New York Times, they have a fairly robust fact-checking process, so they would be able to analyze information critically and report on facts that aren't mentioned in the press release. Thus, I would recommend using the secondary, independent source when possible, rather than the press release. (talk) 13:51, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Did you read, Epicgenius, that three such references were in the article, only in German? ... that the press release was given as something in English? ... that the New York Times is now also there, only - as pay-walled - of limited help. Can you see the NYT? Then please feel free to add from it to the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:42, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt, sorry about that, I actually missed that the German-language references were in the article. I'd personally prefer the German-language secondary sources over the English-language press release. For what it's worth, I do have access to the NYT article. Here's a gift link to that article, which you can view without a paywall (you could also use archive.org to bypass the paywall). Epicgenius (talk) 15:45, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the gift! (I'm in the tedious process of making Alexander Goehr fit for the Main page, which came mostly unreferenced and full of copyvio, leaving me little time for this topic today and days to come. Jessye Norman was tough but this seems worse.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:52, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt, sorry about that, I actually missed that the German-language references were in the article. I'd personally prefer the German-language secondary sources over the English-language press release. For what it's worth, I do have access to the NYT article. Here's a gift link to that article, which you can view without a paywall (you could also use archive.org to bypass the paywall). Epicgenius (talk) 15:45, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Did you read, Epicgenius, that three such references were in the article, only in German? ... that the press release was given as something in English? ... that the New York Times is now also there, only - as pay-walled - of limited help. Can you see the NYT? Then please feel free to add from it to the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:42, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- The New York Times source is "By Javier C. Hernández", so its not a primary source. Grimes2 (talk) 09:04, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- The sources you provided aren't currently in the article, that is the issue. They have to be added to the article to address the concerns about primary sourcing. Yes, I understand press releases: they are generally not considered independent sources for Wikipedia purposes. Actually, I'll ping Epicgenius and ask him to explain what the issue is with independent and non-primary sourcing here as there seems to be confusion about the problem. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:30, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Also pinging CurryTime7-24 for possible hook suggestions as well as help regarding the sourcing, as they usually know how to make effective non-specialist opera/classical music hooks. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:21, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Tilman Michael was appointed chorus master of the Metropolitan Opera from the 2024/25 season, after ten years at the award-winning Oper Frankfurt? Grimes2 (talk) 08:55, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the offer but when a person is appointed to the #2 house, we don't have to say that where he comes from is also important. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- The choral award is an indication, that he has done a good job in Frankfurt. Grimes2 (talk) 09:47, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1 doesn't specify "choral", and that the house received 4 awards in 2023 is actually stronger than choral alone which was one of them, but - as explained - not needed. Also: "Oper Frankfurt" was on DYK a lot (26 times, + 13 for "Frankfurt Opera"), and people who care about this news probably know already. We can keep it simple. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:59, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- The choral award is an indication, that he has done a good job in Frankfurt. Grimes2 (talk) 09:47, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the offer but when a person is appointed to the #2 house, we don't have to say that where he comes from is also important. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- I've been thinking about this for a while, and after some pondering I would suggest dropping the "appointed chorus master" angle and instead proposing a completely different hook fact. I am not denying that him being appointed to the position is a major accomplishment, but I have reservations that it would meet WP:DYKINT. More specifically, I have doubts that the hook will appeal to non-specialist audiences. It's not the kind of hook that will attract readers to possibly click on the article and read more about Michael.
- A future hook could still mention that he was appointed as choir master, just that the hook isn't specifically about that. The current hook fact really no different from a hook that goes "that "Kelly Ortberg was appointed CEO of Boeing after previously serving as CEO of Rockwell Collins?", which other editors may object to as a "person doing their job" hook. Instead, a new hook could go something like "... that Tilman Michael, who was appointed chorus master of the Metropolitan Opera in 2024, was [interesting fact about him]?" This would be easier if the article is further expanded about his personal life. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:46, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- (I wrote this above, but it may get lost there:) The appointment to the Met happened last 17 years ago, while opera chorus of the years comes once every year, and he alone got several. I know what is more unique in my book. Adding: The world press reported it, not only for aficionados. I don't think that we should present this top news in a half sentence on the side. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support original hook. Grimes2 (talk) 16:14, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- (I wrote this above, but it may get lost there:) The appointment to the Met happened last 17 years ago, while opera chorus of the years comes once every year, and he alone got several. I know what is more unique in my book. Adding: The world press reported it, not only for aficionados. I don't think that we should present this top news in a half sentence on the side. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that Tilman Michael, the new choral master of the Metropolitan Opera and successor of Donald Palumbo, is scheduled to prepare the chorus in 20 productions next season? Grimes2 (talk) 17:19, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the offer but I assume that people rather want to know the background of someone for the highest position a choral conductor can achieve than that he is scheduled to do a number of works which seems no news at all. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:20, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- After giving this some thought, I don't think this article is a good fit from DYK as currently written, unfortunately. ALT2 sounds vaguely promotional, and DYK has had concerns about hooks sounding like advertisements in the past. The original hook and its variants don't really seem to meet DYKINT either as it's really no different about a hook about a person being appointed to a position, which by itself isn't hooky. With the lack of any other hooky facts and article expansion being unfeasible, there simply doesn't appear to be a hook that can meet the guidelines. Some articles are simply just not good fits for DYK and at the article's current state this may be one example of that. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:32, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- If you think that a hook that looks like the NYT headline is not feasable for DYK, we will not agree about what "Did you know?" means. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:22, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Epicgenius, CurryTime7-24, what do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:27, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- If you disagree with the marking for closure and want a second opinion, then that's fine. However, would you consider a hook that goes "... that Neal Mohan was appointed CEO of YouTube after Susan Wojcicki stepped down?" suitable for DYK? Because ALT0 and variants essentially give the same vibe as that example. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:56, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- I wouldn't care about who stepped down. I think head of YouTube is interesting enough. Like chorus master of the Met.
- ALT3: ... that the next chorus master of the Metropolitan Opera will be Tilman Michael? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:10, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- If you disagree with the marking for closure and want a second opinion, then that's fine. However, would you consider a hook that goes "... that Neal Mohan was appointed CEO of YouTube after Susan Wojcicki stepped down?" suitable for DYK? Because ALT0 and variants essentially give the same vibe as that example. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:56, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Afrique Victime
- ... that Mdou Moctar's Afrique Victime was also released on Nokia devices (specifically the Nokia 6120) to honor his former albums?
- Source: SRC
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
03:41, 28 August 2024 (UTC).
- GA status confirmed, date is fine. Various GA-related quality aspects confirmed as meeting DYK standards. Still needs a QPQ review. Hook needs improvements; not Nokia devices, but a single device (the article states "In homage to his first albums, which he spread using Bluetooth, he released a collector's edition Nokia 6120 handset."). And while this is not a DYK concern, I think this part of the article should be expanded - how can one spread albums using Bluetooth? How does one include an album in a handset (the source states it was pre-loaded onto a classic handset, which is confusing - what exactly was that item)? If I was a GA reviewer I'd expect this to be addressed (expanded with clarifications in the text). Ping GA reviewer User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:02, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- The "spreading albums using Bluetooth" thing is already explained in the article Mdou Moctar, so I figured it's WP:Summary style to exclude that info from this article. But I agree that the article should be clearer, so tweaked. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 16:12, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Finished the hook request.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
09:04, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 29
[edit]List of oral repositories
- ... that oral repositories are individuals trusted with memorising a society's oral traditions, and have been termed "walking libraries"?
- Reviewed:
Kowal2701 (talk) 16:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC).
Actinote zikani
- ... that Actinote zikani was rediscovered in Brazil ten years after being declared extinct?
- ALT1: ... that Actinote zikani is one of only two butterflies on the IUCN's list of the 100 most threatened species? Source: https://portals.iucn.org/library/sites/library/files/documents/2012-096.pdf
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Voss (Alexander McQueen collection)
- Comment: This is a translated article.
Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 12:36, 30 August 2024 (UTC).
KXXV
- ... that a Texas TV station was founded by a man claimed to be an "artful dodger"? Source: https://newspapers.com/article/waco-tribune-herald-man-denies-allegatio/129515949/
- ALT1: ... that seven people died when their helicopter struck supporting wires of a Texas TV station's tower and crashed? Source: https://www.newspapers.com/article/waco-tribune-herald-fort-hood-black-hawk/133056231/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Josh Katz
- Comment: ALT0 is not a BLP issue; the man in question died in 2008.
Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:29, 30 August 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review (and as much as I'm thankful for you reviewing three of my GAs, I still review oldest first!), but it took me a while to parse ALT0, as I wrongly assumed it was missing the word "who". I would suggest either "once described as" instead of "claimed to be" or taking out "a man claimed to be". (Also, you mentioned that The Cock Destroyers was a red link at Talk:Megan Barton-Hanson/GA1, and you may be interested to know it now has an article.)--Launchballer 17:18, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
The Right and the Wrong
- ... that The Right and the Wrong was one of the first two films produced by Trinidad and Tobago?
- Source: Paddington, Bruce; Warner, Keith Q. (Winter 2009). "The Emergence of Caribbean Feature Films". Black Camera. 1 (1). Indiana University Press: 94, 98–99. doi:10.2979/blc.2009.1.1.91. JSTOR 10.2979/blc.2009.1.1.91. S2CID 144560687. Retrieved 2024-08-29 – via JSTOR.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Book of Longings
- Comment: In May 2022, this began life as my second-ever page creation at AFC (arriving just a day after my work on the Carib Theatre, a venerable landmark of Kingston, Jamaica). Sadly, due to space limitations on my old Galaxy Tab, and lack of time/commitments, the traction trailed off and G13 took hold. Fast forward to late June two years later, when I requested it back after beginning to revive my fortunes at this project. (There's a reason I set up that certain queue to begin with.) After a days-long expansion stint with The Book of Virtues (itself a DYK candidate at this writing), I decided to fulfill my article-ETA and last-DYKN-before-end-of-August promises--and here we finally are. (Despite me coming down with a cold a couple of days before this writing [due to spending so many hours awake], and still feeling the effects as I type here.)
- To say this topic's title sounds highly reminiscent of the Bell Dramatic Serial soaps...but that's besides the point here.
- For those keeping track on XTools (at least for the next couple of hours), this nomination officially marks my 20,000th edit on the English Wikipedia--14 years after my last milestone. (Helped a lot--and then some--by my ongoing backlog-clearance drive of AFC's unassessed list, whose near-conclusion my pitch also coincides with.) Many thanks to those I've met on this edition ever since February 2005--whether they're still editing or not.
- Seriously, WP needs more coverage on audiovisual media from the Commonwealth Caribbean--and we've only just started by now. A special shout-out to Trinidadian stalwart Guettarda (talk · contribs · count), and CaribDigita (talk · contribs · count) of Barbados; as an occasional reminder, I'm a Commonwealth of Dominica expatriate. Guettarda's recent essay, "Decolonizing Wikipedia" (which I discovered several hours before press time), is recommended reading for future Caribbean-based editors. Here's hoping more from my own native homeland take up the mantle from here.
- As always, stay tuned for several more candidates of mine in the months to come. Take care--and I'll see you back!
- P.S. Reddit's loss had better be this community's gain--and I know it as a veteran of both platforms. (It'll be Digg all over again when reports of the userbase's vitriol this week over an extremely loathed, uncalled-for UI revamp hit the wires of The New York Times et al....if they ever do--and they should.)
Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 02:47, 30 August 2024 (UTC).
Shinichi Ishizuka
- ... that manga artist Shinichi Ishizuka was told that becoming a manga artist would be "absolutely impossible"? Source: https://tokion.jp/2021/02/26/shinichi-ishizuka-creative-expression/
- Reviewed: Cosmetic Playlover
Created by Link20XX (talk). Self-nominated at 00:21, 30 August 2024 (UTC).
Manhood: The Masculine Virtues America Needs
- ... that Josh Hawley's book Manhood was his second published by Regnery, after being dropped by Simon & Schuster for his support of the January 6 United States Capitol attack?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Noting that with Missouri's polls opening October 23 and in accordance with WP:DYKELECT: if approved, this will have to appear no later than September 23 or be held until after the 2024 United States Senate election in Missouri, to November 6. Thanks, Bobby Cohn (talk) 00:31, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Bobby Cohn (talk) 00:13, 30 August 2024 (UTC).
Great Salt Lake whale myth
- ... that in 1888, a sensational story claimed that a British scientist, James Wickham, introduced two whales to the Great Salt Lake in an attempt to start a whale oil industry?
OhHaiMark (talk) 17:09, 29 August 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on August 30
[edit]Psycho Mantis
- ... that the boss battle with Psycho Mantis in Metal Gear Solid required players to switch controller ports in order to beat him?
- Source: https://www.escapistmagazine.com/psycho-mantis-quest-ce-que-cest/ "But unfortunately for him, these technological shenanigans work both ways – through he can read every button press on controller 1, controller 2 is a mystery to him. By plugging your controller into the second port, your movements are concealed, leaving Psycho Mantis as little more than a bug-eyed piñata."
https://www.ign.com/articles/2009/11/17/big-boss-of-the-day-metal-gear-solids-psycho-mantis
"Gamers will initially find that Mantis can block all of Snake's attacks with ease. The only solution is to physically switch the controller from one port to another."- ALT1: ... that the character Psycho Mantis in the video game Metal Gear Solid breaks the fourth wall by telling the player other games they play? Source: Banks, Jamie; Meija, Robert; Adams, Aubrie (June 23, 2017). 100 Greatest Video Game Characters. Rowman and Littlefield Publishers. pp. 155–156. ISBN 978-1442278127.
"After this, Psycho Mantis probes deeper by scanning the player’s physical memory card and commenting on select Konami titles; for example, “You like Castlevania, don’t you?”" https://www.escapistmagazine.com/psycho-mantis-quest-ce-que-cest/ "He turns every scrap of information into a dirty little secret he dangles over your head, even going so far to bring up other games you’ve played: Castlevania, Suikoden, Vandal Hearts. A remake of the game is on the GameCube, and it’s particularly disconcerting to hear Mantis hiss, as if through clenched teeth, “So … you’ve been playing Super Mario Sunshine, haven’t you?”"
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Been a while since I've done a nomination, so I hope everything is alright with this nomination.
Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 17:43, 31 August 2024 (UTC).
Tuhi Martukaw
- ... that Pinuyumayan journalist Tuhi Martukaw led youth delegations to the United Nations Permanent Forum on Indigenous Issues for 10 years in a row?
- Source: "At 31, Hung Chien has been attending the U.N. Permanent Forum on Indigenous Issues for 10 years in a row." Yu, Pei-hua (9 September 2016). "Puyuma youth speaks for indigenous peoples worldwide". Taiwan Today. taiwantoday.tw.
- ALT1: ... that Pinuyumayan journalist Tuhi Martukaw is known to international Indigenous activists as "Jocelyn" and to local Indigenous youth activists as "Sis"? Source: "Members of local indigenous youth organizations nickname her Sis, and her indigenous movement activist friends from overseas call her Jocelyn. She is Jinumu among her tribal friends and relatives, while her official Puyuma name at the TITN is Tuhi Martukaw." Yu, Pei-hua (9 September 2016). "Puyuma youth speaks for indigenous peoples worldwide". Taiwan Today. taiwantoday.tw.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Auckland (meteorite)
- Comment: Thank you so much in advance to the reviewer for their time in advance. I hope you have a wonderful time reading the article!
Ornithoptera (talk) 02:35, 31 August 2024 (UTC).
AdventHealth Daytona Beach
- ... that AdventHealth Daytona Beach is the home of the 10th Timmy's Playroom?
- Reviewed:
Catfurball (talk) 21:00, 30 August 2024 (UTC).
String Quartet No. 16 (Shostakovich)
- ... that had Dmitri Shostakovich composed his String Quartet No. 16, it would have completed a "mathematical version" of his DSCH monogram?
- Source: "The Thirteen-ness of the Thirteenth Quartet" by Iain Strachan in the DSCH Journal (July 2024): "Shostakovich had apparently intended to make a mathematical version of his DSCH signature in the key sequence of his quartets. Given that the musically logical sequence of keys indicated that if the composer had lived to complete a sixteenth quartet, it would have been in B major, this meant that the major key quartets of DSCH would all have been on the quartets whose numbers were perfect squares, namely 4, 9, 1, and 16".
- ALT1: ... that there is no String Quartet No. 16 by Dmitri Shostakovich? Source: "Shostakovich and the 'Sixteenth Quartet'" by Krzysztof Meyer and Henny van der Groep in the DSCH Journal (July 2014)
- ALT2: ... that Dmitri Shostakovich's String Quartet No. 16 has three movements, including a lyrical middle, ends with a double fugue, and does not exist? Source: Ibid; "Fifty Years Ago: April–September 1974" by Krzysztof Meyer (translated by Bryan Rowell) in DSCH Journal (July 2024)
- Reviewed:
- Comment: QPQ coming soon. For what it's worth, my preference for these ALTs are in reverse order, with ALT2 being my most preferred. Also, is it possible to run this DYK on September 25, for the 118th anniversary of Shostakovich's birth?
CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:20, 30 August 2024 (UTC).
- The article was new enough and long enough at the time of the nomination. It is properly sourced; as all the sources are offline I am assuming good faith on verification here. ALT0 has a sourcing issue: the reference backing it up comes at the end of the relevant paragraph; according to WP:DYKG, the supporting footnote should be at the latest at the end of the sentence supporting the hook fact, which in this case is the DSCH signature aspect. ALT2 is a rather complicated hook so I'm rather disinclined to approve it. My preferred hook is actually ALT1; however, the article does not actually seem to back it up. The article is unclear if the String Quartet was even started, or if it was started but simply unfinished: if it was the former, then ALT1 is accurate. To be sure, I'm pinging Kingsif and RoySmith regarding ALT1 as both are knowledgeable about quirky hooks and their suitability. If ALT1 is unsuitable, only ALT0 will be approved.
- There is another major concern: the lack of a QPQ. Per a recent discussion, the guidelines have changed so a QPQ should now be provided at the time of the nomination, rather than up to a week afterwards. As such, please provide a QPQ as soon as possible, as the nomination may be failed without further warning if one is not given soon. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:02, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Kingsif and RoySmith: It appears that the above ping did not work for some reason. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:04, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- I strongly prefer ALT1; the others are just too complicated. Also see T371948. RoySmith (talk) 10:13, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- While I have some questions about the focus of the article and whether it should really be about Meyer's work and how it was inspired by an uncomposed Shostakovich, if the reviewer is happy with it as is, I have no problems with alt1. I would object to alt0 on being too difficult. Kingsif (talk) 11:41, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2 could work, but it's cruising for a pruning, as in ALT2a: ... that Dmitri Shostakovich's String Quartet No. 16 does not exist?--Launchballer 15:35, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Brittni Mason
- ... that a Paralympic gold medalist originally did not know she qualified for parasports?
- Source: Ligon, Catherine (August 28, 2024). "Brittni Mason had no idea she was eligible for Paralympics. Now she's chasing gold". USA Today. Retrieved 2024-08-30.
Queen of Hearts (talk) 20:10, 30 August 2024 (UTC).
Queens Zoo
- ... that the aviary of New York City's Queens Zoo was once a memorial to Winston Churchill? Source: Gray, Christopher (January 3, 1993). "Streetscapes: The Queens Aviary; A Great Outside Interior Space". The New York Times
- ALT1: ... that New York City's Queens Zoo recorded 100 blackouts in its first three years? Source: "Tatiana Blasts Parks Dept. For Blackouts at Zoo". Daily News. February 25, 1971. p. 353.
- ALT2: ... that New York City's Queens Zoo once received a lion cub despite having no lion enclosure? Source: Dallas, Gus (October 15, 1981). "New Den Floor for Cub to Li-On?". Daily News. p. 172
- ALT3: ... that after a renovation of New York City's Queens Zoo was finished, the zoo stayed closed, and weeds grew there? Source: Dallas, Gus (September 29, 1991). "Zoos Caught in Budget Web". Daily News. p. 75.
- ALT4: ... that a decade after the Queens Zoo opened, it was so rundown that one New York City politician called it a "poor man's zoo"? Source: Alston, Blanche Cordelia (November 27, 1979). "Officials Bemoan State of Queens Zoo". The New York Times.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ana Sigüenza
- Comment: Thanks to Pretzelles for suggesting ALTs 0-2.
Epicgenius (talk) 18:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC).
Severe Tropical Storm Lionrock (2010)
- ... that 2010s Severe Tropical Storm Lionrock track was also affected by Tropical Storm Namtheun and Typhoon Kompasu (pictured)?
- Source: Source Thingy
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
14:23, 30 August 2024 (UTC).
1939 New York World's Fair pavilions and attractions
- ... that Nazi Germany did not have a pavilion at the 1939 New York World's Fair because it lacked money? Source: Stern, Robert A. M.; Gilmartin, Patrick; Mellins, Thomas (1987). New York 1930: Architecture and Urbanism Between the Two World Wars. New York: Rizzoli. p. 826
- ALT1: ... that Nazi Germany was the only major nation to not have a pavilion at the 1939 New York World's Fair? Source: "Fair Defies Nazis on Czech Pavilion; Center Will Open as Planned in Spite of Prague Order to Dispose of Building". The New York Times. April 14, 1939.
- ALT2: ... that the pavilions at the 1939 New York World's Fair were painted in a hundred colors, some of which were developed for the fair? Source: Hardesty, Lynn (December 25, 1938). "World's Fair Uses Dramatic Color Effects: Previews of New York Exhibit Buildings Amaze Art Critics". The Washington Post. p. R1.
- ALT3: ... that some paint colors were developed specifically for the pavilions at the 1939 New York World's Fair? Source: Hardesty, Lynn (December 25, 1938). "World's Fair Uses Dramatic Color Effects: Previews of New York Exhibit Buildings Amaze Art Critics". The Washington Post. p. R1.
- ALT4: ... that attractions at the 1939 World's Fair included a roller coaster, a ski slope, and scantily clad women? Source: (1) "A Super-coaster Promised to Fair; Whalen Signs Contract for 'Thrillingest' Giant Ride' Absolutely Safe, Too!'". The New York Times. December 17, 1938; (2) "Fair's Sun Valley to Mirror Idaho's; Winter Sports All Summer to Feature $500,000 Village in the Amusement Area". The New York Times. February 1, 1939; (3) "New York World's Fair Drops Modesty For Allure of Umph: Sally Rand's West Coast Success Breaks Down Resistance to Displays of Pulchritude". Daily Boston Globe. April 10, 1939. p. 7.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Glennda and Camille Do Downtown
- Comment: I can come up with more hooks later.
Epicgenius (talk) 14:17, 30 August 2024 (UTC).
Don Goodwin
- ... that a 23-day CBC strike thrust Don Goodwin into the Canadian national spotlight and "folk-hero status"? Source: http://www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/article/the-toronto-star-the-flat-earth-theory-o/154279959/ and https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-standard-off-camera-don-goodwin-no/154280088/
- ALT1: ... that Don Goodwin, thrust into the CBC News anchor chair, had not had a regular on-camera job in 18 years? Source: https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-leader-post-ordinary-guy-slips-int/154279992/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Blue Mountain Pottery
Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 08:01, 30 August 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on August 31
[edit]The Cock Destroyers
- ... that the first drag girl band to enter the UK top 40 took their name from a pair of porn stars? Source: https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/drag-pop-album-frock-destroyers-b1769880.html
- ALT1: ... that Matty Healy once described The Cock Destroyers as "terrifying"? Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwhy6Vyh1kM, at around 18:34 - we used to have an article about the episode
- ALT2: ... that The Cock Destroyers once released a "gloriously queer" sex education video for Netflix? Source: https://www.thepinknews.com/2020/03/12/cock-destroyers-lgbt-inclusive-sex-educaiton-netflix-rebecca-more-sophie-anderson/
- ALT3: ... that after going viral, The Cock Destroyers were covered by the BBC? Source: https://theface.com/culture/cock-destroyer-how-rebecca-more-went-from-meme-to-the-uks-most-loved-adult-star
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Aracy Amaral
Launchballer 17:09, 31 August 2024 (UTC).
Anaïs Gallagher, Oasis Live '25 Tour
- ... that following the announcement that Liam Gallagher and Noel Gallagher were to reunite for Oasis Live '25 Tour, Noel's daughter Anaïs Gallagher criticised some fans for ageism and sexism? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/music/article/2024/aug/30/noel-gallagher-daughter-anais-oasis-fans-ageism-misogyny
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sebastian Zouberbuhler
- Comment: Many thanks to Aibo22 for creating an article about a topic I had previously written an article about, but which was deleted at AfD 9+ years ago. Oasis Live '25 Tour is a 5x expansion of an article created less than a week ago.
Launchballer 15:28, 31 August 2024 (UTC).
325 East 38th Street
- ... that the Permanent Mission of Indonesia to the United Nations is housed in a former public bath? Source: "New Public Baths Open". The Sun. New York. May 20, 1904. p. 7; Hughes, C. J. (January 11, 2022). "Flashy $850M sale of 2 rental towers shines a spotlight on low-key Murray Hill". Crain's New York Business.
- ALT1: ... that the former Milbank Memorial Baths in New York City now houses Indonesia's mission to the United Nations? Source: "New Public Baths Open". The Sun. New York. May 20, 1904. p. 7; Hughes, C. J. (January 11, 2022). "Flashy $850M sale of 2 rental towers shines a spotlight on low-key Murray Hill". Crain's New York Business.
- ALT2: ... that when the Milbank Memorial Baths opened, an estimated 50,000 nearby residents had no access to bathing facilities at home? Source: "Finest of Baths For City's Poor". The Evening World. New York. May 4, 1904. p. 8.
- ALT3: ... that a former public bath has hosted a laundry, college dormitories, and Indonesia's mission to the United Nations? Source: "New Public Baths Open". The Sun. New York. May 20, 1904. p. 7; Hughes, C. J. (January 11, 2022). "Flashy $850M sale of 2 rental towers shines a spotlight on low-key Murray Hill". Crain's New York Business.; Williams, Marilyn T. (1991). Washing "the Great Unwashed": Public Baths in Urban America, 1840–1920. Columbus: Ohio State University Press. p. 157; "Campus For College In New York". Skidmore Scope. Vol. 1, no. 1. Spring 1969. p. 1.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Nan Oo Pagoda, Myinsaing
Epicgenius (talk) 14:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC).
Henry Firth
- ... that British conscientious objector Henry Firth died in 1918 while being held at a work camp in Dartmoor?
- Source: "There was only one other death, during the time of the COs at Dartmoor Work Centre, which was completely unrelated to the flu epidemic. This was the death of Henry Firth, which led to the strike in February 1918 when the COs refused to work so that they could accompany his coffin to the station." from: Barker, Pip (30 June 2021). Princetown and the Conscientious Objectors of WW1. Austin Macauley Publishers. pp. 33–34. ISBN 978-1-3984-1981-0.
- ALT1: ... that in 1918 conscientious objectors held at a work camp in Dartmoor, England, went on strike so they could accompany the coffin of Henry Firth to the railway station? Source: "There was only one other death, during the time of the COs at Dartmoor Work Centre, which was completely unrelated to the flu epidemic. This was the death of Henry Firth, which led to the strike in February 1918 when the COs refused to work so that they could accompany his coffin to the station." from: Barker, Pip (30 June 2021). Princetown and the Conscientious Objectors of WW1. Austin Macauley Publishers. pp. 33–34. ISBN 978-1-3984-1981-0.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Shrine of Taharqa
Dumelow (talk) 09:52, 31 August 2024 (UTC).
Deep Cut Gardens
- ... that Deep Cut Gardens in New Jersey contains a stone replica of Mount Vesuvius commissioned by mobster Vito Genovese?
- Source: The Monmouth County Park System: The First Fifty Years - "At Genovese’s request, Caruso built a “Mt. Vesuvius” pseudo-volcano that erupted with smoke during parties."
- ALT1: ... that Deep Cut Gardens in New Jersey contains a stone replica of Mount Vesuvius that once erupted smoke at the behest of mobster Vito Genovese? Source: The Monmouth County Park System: The First Fifty Years - "At Genovese’s request, Caruso built a “Mt. Vesuvius” pseudo-volcano that erupted with smoke during parties."
- Reviewed:
FossilDS (talk) 03:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC).
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