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Dear Wikiexaminer

The Dutch version [[1]] states that “Hoewel hij zijn vaderland nooit heeft verlaten, …” ( Although he has never left his fatherland …)

I went through all 510 pages of RELANDI HADRIANI Palaestina ex monumentis veteribus illustrata. Trajecti Batavorum, Guilielmi, 1714. Perusal of the book shows all geographic terms based on primary sources, which Reland faithfully quotes.

I see from this (and other biographic sources) absolutely no evidence for “The Dutch scholar and cartographer Adriaan Reland visited Palestine in 1695, made a population census, and came to the conclusion that Palestine was mostly empty with several existing communities of Jews and Christians.[196]”

Moreover there are no pages 648-649.

Best regards Tusbra (talk) 13:54, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for answering my question Tusbra, and your arguments are based about on the same as my arguments when I tried to make the editors of the wikipedia page about Palestine to remove the false statement about "Reland travelling to Palestine in 1695".

The pages 648-649 is in part 2 of the book, and is available at google (the book is scanned) here: http://books.google.no/books?id=uuFaAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_book_other_versions_r&cad=1_2

If you are able to read Latin maybe you would take a look at those pages? And maybe contribute to the discussion about this at the discuss/talk page at the Palestine page? See "44 Untrue claim about ADRIAAN RELAND in section 3.2.1 Travelers' impressions of 19th century Palestine".

The routine seem to be that edits are made after consensus is achieved. I am new to editing in Wikipedia and do not know much about how things are done. I am not too sure about how the communication between editors work, and do not know where this answer of mine can be found again later after I press the button "Save page"...

Regards --Wikiexaminer (talk) 17:22, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Dear Wikiexaminer,

The sources I consulted for my Dutch article on Hadrianus Reland (and which I mention under the article), say he never left the Netherlands. I assume these sources are right. And so are you, probably, in your claim that the information in the article about Palestine is false. Definitive proof may come from the Oratio funebris (funeral oration) Joseph Serrurier held in 1718. This kind of speeches usually contain a lot of biographical information. If I have some spare time next week, I will try and read it and let you know if I found anything.

Kind regards, R. Veenman, 15 May 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.195.39.206 (talk) 20:16, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Dear Wikiexaminer,

Today I have read Serrurier's funeral speech on Reland from 1718. This contains a lot of biographic information, but doesn't mention any trip abroad. I suppose a journey to Palestine would have been mentioned as something special in those days. So the silence about such a journey may be interpreted as a conformation of the fact that Reland never visited Palestine. I saw the paragraph concerned in the Wikipedia-article on Palestine has disappeared - rightly so!

Kind regards, R.Veenman (talk) 19:59, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

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Olim Hadrian Reland (caput II)

Dear Wikiexaminer. Thank you for drawing my attention to vol.II of Reland,s book. I read Latin and Greek sufficiently and Hebrew fluently. As I stated earlier concerning vol. I, also in the two pages in question (648-649)there is no indication whatsoever that Reland visited Terra Sancta. He is careful to quote the sources of his descriptions of individual places, mostly Josephus Flavius. Best wishes Tusbra (talk) 18:12, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

That confirms what I suspected. Thank you!

Regards --Wikiexaminer (talk) 15:15, 25 May 2009 (UTC)