User talk:Spleodrach

WP:INFONAT

Hey there,
Just a reminder that WP:INFONAT states that |nationality= shouldn't be placed in biography infoboxes. |citizenship= can be used, but only if the subject of the article holds citizenship of a state that wouldn't be obvious to the reader based on where they live. CeltBrowne (talk) 11:10, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @CeltBrowne:, thanks for that, I didn't know that it had been deprecated. Spleodrach (talk) 11:54, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Count Plunkett

Hi there - I noticed you've undone my changes with comment "name only, no title". Please see: https://www.dib.ie/biography/plunkett-count-george-noble-a7384 It is Wikipedia guidelines that a title of nobility that is part of the person's name and identity is included in the lead. May I ask your reason for removing? Kellycrak88 (talk) 11:47, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Kellycrak88:, I updated the article infobox to reflect the style of another Irish papal count, John McCormack. Spleodrach (talk) 14:12, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

I see, however Wikpedia official guidelines state that the title needs to be in the lead as part of the name.

Please see: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(royalty_and_nobility)

Papal nobility would be classed as "Other cases" Treat other European nobility like British nobility above,

Therefore, the title also still needs to be added to the lead. Kellycrak88 (talk) 17:18, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

John Mannion

Sorry, didn't realize that was an Americanism, thank you for correcting it. Nevermore27 (talk) 17:29, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

No worries. Spleodrach (talk) 14:39, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Paula Butterly article

Is there any particular reason at all Spleodrach why you would first of all revert an article of mine as unrefenced, then I provide same references, you then edit it and remove my references ie my edits. Is it really all about you wishing you'd bothered to do the research instead of me first, lad? Its a bit tiresome if you ask me. All references were factual. You added no more info at all in fact editted out factual info. Time on your hands ladDevite (talk) 20:20, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Capitalisation of offices of State, a quick check

Hi! We cross in edit histories and debates but have not communicated much over the 15+ years, so first, just to say that I very much appreciate your long experience, and that you are more involved in articles on government and politics, and I've probably just missed something. For certainty, I just wanted to explore a little the point about Taoiseach (and to a lesser degree President of Ireland) as titles. I am familiar with the general job title approach, and certainly strip chief executive and prime minister, and similar, of caps, routinely. But to my mind, there are two issues: first, usage - I know I have often seen these capitalised in general usage, off (for example, I was taught that it must always be in capital case) and on Wikipedia (I've just checked the "Taoiseach" article, and it uses capitalised forms for general mentions), and second, "taoiseach" as such does not originally mean prime minister at all (that's "priomh aire"), and it only assumes the special meaning of "Prime Minister of Ireland" in certain contexts and usages. The point about President of Ireland, as opposed to just the "president of Ireland" is more subtle, and applies to many countries, so perhaps less to debate there. Guidance / experience welcome... (I see someone else was unclear on this matter today, but that's been sorted already). Thanks, SeoR (talk) 21:47, 23 January 2025 (UTC)