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Excluding some subpages from a group editnotice
[edit]Is there any way to prevent a few subpages from displaying a group editnotice? If not, could this be implemented? (See Special:Edit/Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Common outcomes for a case where this feature would be useful.) jlwoodwa (talk) 01:21, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. Basically, use
{{#switch:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Common outcomes=|#default={{editnotice|...}}}}
. I'll do that for this editnotice. SilverLocust 💬 01:38, 11 September 2024 (UTC)- Thanks! jlwoodwa (talk) 01:41, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
What to do with blank Editnotices?
[edit]I looked on this page and in the talk page archive, and I did not see any definitive instructions or consensus on what to do with blank editnotices. I did see one editor in 2010 recommending CSD under G6, but that recommendation is not on Wikipedia:Editnotice.
The reason I ask is that there are about a thousand editnotice pages clogging up Special:UnusedTemplates, which has a limit of 5,000 pages. Many of those editnotices have been blanked, with edit summaries like "no longer applicable". Example: {{Editnotices/Page/Battle of Shivneri Fort}}. Should these pages be deleted, and if so, via what process? Thanks for any insight you can provide. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:13, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- I notice that even non-blank editnotices show up as "unused". I think they should be excluded from Special:UnusedTemplates, since they're used in an unusual (non-transcluding) way. jlwoodwa (talk) 02:28, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm working on those. You may notice that the number of Editnotice pages is now under 700 on that report. Using a standard editnotice template or other tweaks can remove them from that report. I was asking about the blank ones only. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:32, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Seeing no response here to my initial question, I have nominated eleven blanked editnotices for discussion at TFD. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:38, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose it's a big "it depends". WHY is it blank? Is the history of the notice relevant? — xaosflux Talk 22:21, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Most of the blank-notice histories I have looked at say something like "removing, no longer relevant", or "expired", or something else indicating that the blankness is appropriate. I haven't seen any blanked notices that were due to apparent bad-faith edits, but out of a few hundred, there might be some. I think my basic question is: if an edit notice is no longer needed due to the result of a consensus discussion, should it be blanked, deleted, or something else? – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:32, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose it's a big "it depends". WHY is it blank? Is the history of the notice relevant? — xaosflux Talk 22:21, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Seeing no response here to my initial question, I have nominated eleven blanked editnotices for discussion at TFD. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:38, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm working on those. You may notice that the number of Editnotice pages is now under 700 on that report. Using a standard editnotice template or other tweaks can remove them from that report. I was asking about the blank ones only. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:32, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Editnotice 2.0 implementation
[edit]It is requested that edits be made to the following fully protected pages:
This template must be followed by a complete and specific description of the request, so that an editor unfamiliar with the subject matter could complete the requested edits immediately.
Edit requests to fully protected pages should only be used for edits that are either uncontroversial or supported by consensus. If the proposed edit might be controversial, discuss it on the protected page's talk page before using this template. To request that a page be protected or unprotected, make a protection request. When the request has been completed or denied, please add the |
As previously discussed in WP:VPT#Enhanced editnotice loader, please implement the following changes:
- Template:Editnotice load: replace with
{{#invoke:editnotice load|main}}
- Template:Editnotice load/notext: replace with
{{editnotice load|notext=yes}}
- Template:Editnotice/notice: update to match testwiki
- MediaWiki:Noarticletext-nopermission: add the following code:
{{#invoke:editnotice load|protectionEditnotice}}
- MediaWiki:Protectedpagetext: replace
{{#ifexist:...|{{Template:Editnotices/Protection/...}}|...}}
with{{#if:{{#invoke:editnotice load|protectionEditnotice}}|{{editnotice load|notice action = protect}}|...}}
- MediaWiki:Cascadeprotected: replace
{{#ifexist:...|{{Template:Editnotices/Protection/...}}|...}}
with{{#if:{{#invoke:editnotice load|protectionEditnotice}}|{{editnotice load|notice action = protect}}|...}}
- Template:Editnotices/Group/Template:Editnotices: update to match testwiki
- MediaWiki:Titleblacklist-custom-editnotice: update to match testwiki
You may wish to see the versions on test Wikipedia to help with implementation. I'll drop them here so you can view and copy:
- testwiki:Template:Editnotice load
- testwiki:Template:Editnotice load/notext
- testwiki:Template:Editnotice/notice
- testwiki:MediaWiki:Noarticletext-nopermission
- testwiki:MediaWiki:Protectedpagetext
- testwiki:MediaWiki:Cascadeprotected
- testwiki:Template:Editnotices/Group/Template:Editnotices
- testwiki:MediaWiki:Titleblacklist-custom-editnotice
Awesome Aasim 20:04, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- I don't know the background or intricacies of this set of changes, but please do not remove the new magic word __EXPECTUNUSEDTEMPLATE__ from pages where it has been inserted. That magic word prevents edit notices from appearing on the list at Special:UnusedTemplates. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:35, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Also there are multiple page protections that would need to be done first. — xaosflux Talk 20:43, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Only two really: Module:Editnotice load and Module:Editnotice load/config and maybe Module:Editnotice load/i18n. Most of the internationalization should be done when the module is exported, etc. or on projects like Fandom Dev Wiki (or Wikimedia equivalents). After, it is done. Awesome Aasim 14:11, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Good catch! I thought after letting sit at the village pump for a month someone would discover problems, but apparently not until after I opened that edit request. Awesome Aasim 21:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Also there are multiple page protections that would need to be done first. — xaosflux Talk 20:43, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- I have no time to touch this anytime soon, and not sure it is needed - seems to be severely increasing technical debt that will have to be locally supported. — xaosflux Talk 14:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)