Talk:Vattisen Yaly

The description of the Chuvash flag

In the description is written that the tree portrayed is Kiremet which is not true. Kiremet is a place (and godlike creature) at which Chuvash people did rituals and sacrifices, while on the flag is portrayed World Tree Ama yivash sanare (Ама йывăç сăнарĕ according to the Чувашская Мифология or Chuvash mythology by Чувашский государственный институт гуманитарных наук or Chuvash State Institute of liberal arts). Kryptophyte (talk) 16:49, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

"Keremet" is the Sacred Ancestral Tree. Miracle is translated from Arabic. I am a representative of a generation of unbaptized Chuvashs, we call our faith "Chăn Chăvash Tĕni" - The World Order of the Real Chuvashs (in translation). Our main god is Tĕncheri Tură - the God of Heaven (the Universe) which consists of several layers.

Tĕne is 天 tiān - sky.

«匈奴谓天为撑犁» - Xiōngnú wèi tiān wèi tēnglí - The Huns called the tiān (sky) a tenjri.

Tĕncheri - ‏𐱅𐰭𐰼𐰃‎ *teŋri. - heavenly.

Tĕncheri Tură - heavenly creator (god).

Tură - God - in translation means Creator.

goddess AMA - she is Umai among the Turks , sometimes Kuk Amai - Is the goddess of fertile land, the patroness of mothers and children. Ama translated from the Chuvash Mother's Womb.

No need to talk nonsense without knowing the real facts. My grandfather and grandmother from my father's side and my mother's side were followers of the traditional Chuvash religion Chăn Chăvash Tĕni and prayed to the god Tĕncheri Tură in the sacred Keremeti where the World Tree of Ancestors symbolized an old oak tree, it is surrounded by a fence and a moat, the entrance there is through a bridge, at the corners there are 4 pillars.

If scientists come to me, I can show and tell them everything, take them to the place of Keremeti, to the pagan cemetery, explain the whole pantheon, holidays and the essence of faith. 176.52.97.226 (talk) 11:10, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Чувашский: Тĕне, Тĕнче

Русский: мир, небо, вселенная

Английский: world, sky, universe

Марийское: тÿня

Удмуртское: дунне

Узбекское: дунё

Азербайджанское: dünya

Турецкий: dünya

Татарское: дөнья

Башкирское: донъяла 176.52.97.226 (talk) 11:31, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Can you speak Russian? I think it might be easier to discuss what I mean in Russian. Plus, your comment is kind of incoherent, at least for me. While its amazing that you are a part of non baptized chuvashs, chuvash pagan religion quite differs from one to another, like our language. My goal is to represent what chuvash people may believe and believed in past fully, not only what you personally believe. All i said is that Keremet and the World Tree are different entities in myphology and you haven't proven otherwise.

That being said, although I'm not the scientist you want, I would love to hear what you can say, because I'm chuvash too and I really want to reconnect with my culture. Kryptophyte (talk) 15:19, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Article is not true

As a representative of the traditional Chuvash faith, I laugh at everything that is written here, as if it was a person who does not even know the canons of the Chuvash faith, just a lot of nonsense. I'm just from the generation of the family that fled from baptism in 1750. 176.52.97.226 (talk) 10:46, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

<sarcasm> That was extremely helpful. Now we know exactly what to change in the article. Especially useful was the long list of reliable sources you gave. </sarcasm> --Hob Gadling (talk) 10:57, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

I don't care what you need to change or not. It's your decision. I'm just stating the facts for those people who will take this seriously. 176.52.97.226 (talk) 11:14, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Vattisen Yaly (Chuvash: Ваттисен йӑли) - This term is applied even to sayings and superstitions, it has nothing to do with faith. Lies in your ears to the British, and all God's dew to you.

It's especially funny to read this: Periodic prayers were introduced in public life by one of the groups, and it gave the religion the name of Sardash, which apparently comes from the Chuvash word sara, meaning "yellow". In Chuvash culture Sar, Sarat is an epithet of the Sun.

But they don’t notice the author’s personal fantasy where there is a reference to Zarathushtra - Zoroaster, Zoroastrianism. Sara from Chuvash - "yellow" and Hevel - the sun. It's just a complete flight of fantasy and fiction with speculation. 176.52.97.226 (talk) 11:23, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

There are hypothesis that Chuvash come from people, to which Zarathushtra belonged, so it's not quite a fantasy. As I understand, the article also doesn't say that in Chuvash sun is called "sar" or "sarat", only that its described as such by Chuvash (although I too never heard that). Kryptophyte (talk) 15:33, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

HuraKunŞul dial. HoraKonŞol

HuraKunŞul dial. HoraKonŞol - According to popular belief, these are ugly creatures living in the underworld and gnawing the world tree on which the earth rests. On festive winter days, they rise to the surface and try in every possible way to mess with the owners, going down to their homes through the chimney. To drive away kalikandzars, it is necessary to burn a fire with a consecrated log or fragrant herbs for all 12 days.

HuraKunŞul dial. HoraKonŞol - translated from Chuvash as "The Time of Black Days" - that is, when sunny days decrease and the dark time of the day increases. It is believed that at this time the sun descended on a dark road. These days, the Chuvash people conduct rituals to expel demons and evil spirits from the village. After that, the light days begin to increase, and the dark times will decrease. On these days, "Hăratmalli Kun" (Seren) and "SurHuri" celebrated.

(bolg. караконджул, maked. караконџол, serb. караконџула, grec. καλλικάντζαρος) 176.52.111.28 (talk) 15:05, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

In some Chuvash groups, these evil spirits are called "HuraÇun" - which means "Black Soul." sl.«Карачун/Корочюн» 176.52.111.28 (talk) 15:10, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Citations

This article lacks any citations leading from the "Religion and faith" section to the end. Thegkz (talk) 20:42, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@Thegkz Yeah, there's a citations needed tag. If you can find any, WP:BEBOLD and add them yourself :D. GoldRomean (talk) 15:30, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Serious inconsistencies

One moment this article says that they are monotheistic and a few words after it is saying that they lack the concept of God… 86.31.178.164 (talk) 18:00, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

such is the case with many neglected articles about (semi)obscure religious movements. a lot of this article is unsourced as well.... it could use an overhaul. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 19:30, 6 December 2024 (UTC)