Talk:Stella Creasy

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The Wedding Present band

'The Wedding Present:' I see that Ms Creasy was born in 1977, whereas The Wedding Present was formed in 1985 (according to the reference in this article). I therefore think the description of Ms Creasy as "a life-long fan of the 1980s indie band The Wedding Present" is an inaccurate and unfortunate use of this figure of speech. Expandedhorizons (talk) 15:09, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What about year of education. Also what about supporting roles and purposes. What about a bit more on wonga. Also todays bbc link. and a photo with flowers. More support of aristocratic links or what have you why take your word for it please? Very interesting, I will gain support on this post.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23507680 Allegations of twitter abuse specified and pushed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.65.0.65 (talk) 18:06, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Recent edits by User:ReusGang

I removed a reference to a Daily Mail diary item about Creasy's Conservative opponent Molly Samuels-Leport at last year's general election referring to Creasy as being "a career politician" in election leaflets. TheMail is though, not the only source on the incident. Helen Lewis, deputy editor of the New Statesman, writes about a "leaflet issued by Stella Creasy’s Tory rival for the Walthamstow seat in this year’s general election, Molly Samuel-Leport. Under the headline 'The Contenders Head to Head', it listed Samuel-Leport’s virtues: 'Cleaner Mother Shop Assistant Wife Athlete Teacher Champion Understands YOU'. When it came to Creasy, the list was shorter: 'Career Politician Understands Ed Miliband'. The implication was clear – Creasy’s childlessness showed that she was not an “ordinary” person, as did her a PhD in social psychology and her background in think tanks." (Helen Lewsi "The motherhood trap", New Statesman, 15 July 2015) I think this says more about the Conservative candidate than Stella Creasy. It is not a valid inclusion. Philip Cross (talk) 13:37, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The source states that Creasy was criticised by her opponent for being a "career politician". It does not mean that the criticism is warranted or correct. That is for the reader to determine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ReusGang (talk • contribs) 13:42, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Er no, because sources must meet a requirement for notability. One source from a tabloid diary column is not enough. Similarly, you have mentioned Kirstie Allsopp's criticism of Stella Creasy for comments about Lego. This incident is only sourced to the Mail website, and appears to have no RS back up. It is a requirement. You should read the conflict of interest page, if it might be considered to apply to you, and disruptive editing also. Philip Cross (talk) 13:51, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the "career politician" again, because it reads bizarrely. Most politicians usually are "career politicians", and for Creasy's opponent to try to make something of her status was rather low discreditable politics. You really need to include more of Helen Lewis's comments for the meaning to be clear, and I suspect you would not want Molly Samuel-Leport to look as though she is disparaging people like Stella Creasy. Philip and Theresa May are also without children. Philip Cross (talk) 14:05, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not particularly bothered by whether Molly Samuel-Leport was trying to insinuate thing about her childlessness or not, but "criticism" sections are bad practice for BLPs and stuff as insubstantial as a non-notable rival candidate's generic stereotyping of her definitely don't belong anywhere in the article. Nor for that matter does "she had a polite and far-from-illuminating Twitter exchange with a comedian who disagreed with her abstaining in line with the Labour whip on the Second Reading of a bill" Dtellett (talk) 18:10, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Mother's supposed aristocratic background

The issue of supposed aristocratic background of Stella Creasy's mother has come up in her twitter feed today. I used a comment attributed to her mother from a Sunday Times article in good faith, but it is inaccurate. "FYI there ain't no downton abbey in my family - try using better source than Wikipedia for your stories" and "No I am bog standard middle class daughter of a special school headteacher...sorry to disappoint" (elipsis in the uncut quote). To the question: "With an aristocratic background?", she replied "No". I think this is enough to justify my removal earlier. Philip Cross (talk) 18:31, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You can debate its relevance, but that she is a descendant of the Cayzer baronets and Viscount Gort, and that she is second cousin twice removed to Conservative Peer, Robin Cayzer, 3rd Baron Rotherwick, are easily verifiable facts. 86.173.84.198 (talk) 06:37, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Politics isn't genetic"

If you say so, but there are many studies that disagree, but that's an argument for another day.
As two of her ancestors were notable individuals and aristocrats (both with wiki articles), one of which that just happened to be a politician makes it notable enough. Also following this, the relation to a current politician is also fairly notable.
If you disagree with a certain point why not open a talk page discussion first? Also by the definition of the Cayzer family category, she's a member.UaMaol (talk) 18:26, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your edits need to take a lot on trust in the use of hyperlinks on thepeerage.com website, which is a self-authored resource. I think is it all rather convoluted and desperate, "four times great-grandaughter" and "second cousin, twice removed". Not really worth bothering with, except if one wanted to make some kind of point against Stella Creasy. Philip Cross (talk) 18:54, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, the fact that she is distantly related to some aristocrats reads very oddly. We are probably all related to an aristocrat if we go back far enough. I'm no fan of Creasy, but this sounds like a rather feeble smear attempt. --Ef80 (talk) 15:33, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Her connection to the hereditary ruling class of the British Empire in Ireland is certainly notable. She is a politician and has fairly recent ancestors who ere Tory politicians, that is relevant. On the article for David Cameron we mention his ancestry for example. As far as I can see, the only reason to not include it would be because the partisans of Blairism are embarassed by their own figureheads. WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Claíomh Solais (talk) 12:36, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Could anyone source an updated photo?

I think she looks rather different now. Jontel (talk) 18:26, 20 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Edits to 'Early life and education' section

I viewed this article upon hearing Stella Creasy interviewed on the radio, as I wanted to find out more about her.

I observed the slightly clanging early mention of her "connection" to The Peerage, and read this Talk page discussion. I have made some edits based on this discussion, and my own observations. Firstly, we do mention peer connections in other notable political biographies (See David Cameron), so it may be relevant as argued above. However, to remain in style with other articles, which do not mention peerage connections to open a paragraph, I have moved this below details of her direct family (parents and brother). I have quantified the connection as distant, and added the term 'fourth great-grandfather' to fully factually report the 1st Viscount connection.

I have removed the reference to the Creazy Baronets, on the grounds that these cousins removed are really quite distant (look at a genealogy chart to get an idea of this) and therefore I don't believe they would meet noteworthiness criteria; RE the discussion above, from looking at thepeerage.com charts I'm also not sure that they are cousins second removed, but may be even more distant. Regarding source validity: thepeerage.com references a book as its source of information, which I have not managed to obtain open-source; however, it can be seen through a Google search that Burke's Peerage references Stella Creasy and her parents, although further information is paywalled and difficult to access - the fact of her inclusion in Burke's Peerage does suggest there is some potential support there for thepeerage.com information referenced.

Through these edits, I am attempting to provide factual information, rather than contributing to a political discussion. I believe there is a continuing conversation to be had around noteworthiness on this issue, but this is something I am not well-informed enough on Wikipedia policy to comment on. Abigail Wood (talk) 12:59, 3 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]