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White lies

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In practice shalom bayit (or whatever your preferred spelling is) can go far beyond white lies. Sometimes it even goes to all out denial of facts from one or both parties. Is "white lies" a strong enough way to address this? 173.62.224.156 (talk) 05:18, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Name

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The term is not "Shalom Bayit," but "Sh'lom Bayit." How should this be addressed?

Who says it is? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.202.91.69 (talk) 11:36, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a rabbi who says so: http://books.google.com/books?id=uuizffmvKqQC&pg=PA216&lpg=PA216&dq=shlom+bayit&source=web&ots=JV4HKsJhZM&sig=wxjJCAPUESHZcsq2B9GrqlWoegg&hl=en&ei=J6aZScS4A4OB_gbh25T8CQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=7&ct=result

Yeah, the vowel is an "eh" sound so it should be shelom. Ehh, it's just semantics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.232.27.103 (talk) 16:12, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move Anthony Appleyard (talk) 17:16, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Shlom bayit → Shalom bayit

  • Agree. Shlom bayit does seem to get more Google hits than Shalom bayit, but the first spelling looks awfully weird to me. In baal teshuva circles, they always say Shalom bayit:
Aish.com articles
Ohr.edu articles
Chabad.org articles.
Yoninah (talk) 23:07, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually this seems to be a fairly uncommon transliteration. Google is clever, so you have to do a search like this to get a real count. I see how "Shlom bayit" might be grammatically correct based on לgeneral principles of Hebrew, but is it actually correct? But even if it is, in this case the predominant English term should probably win out anyway. Support. --Eliyak T·C 23:56, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suppport - Look at the external links section. No one says Shlom or Sh'lom. In Hebrew, the shin of shalom is vocalized with a komatz. Either shalom (in sifaradit) or sholom (in ashkenazis) would be a correct transliteration. Phil_burnstein (talk) 00:55, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongly oppose The term is Hebrew one, and according to Hebrew grammar and proper usage, it is shlom bayit. The fact that yeshiva students and others who do not know Hebrew grammar mispronounce it is not a reason for perpetuating the mistake on Wikipedia. Anyone who types in "shalom bayit" should be redirected to shlom bayit. The argument that "it looks weird" is weird.--Gilabrand (talk) 04:58, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Gila. I acknowledge your expertise in this matter, but I have a source that seems to partially disagree with you.
"Yes, merge - Chamin and Cholent are one and the same. Cholent is the Yiddish term, which is the most widely used, whereas Chamin is Hebrew and mainly used in Israel (primarily by Sephardi/Mizrahi families).--Gilabrand (talk) 07:21, 13 July 2008 (UTC)"
The quote implies that we should use the most common English usage, rather than the Israeli usage, in wiki transliteration. Phil_burnstein (talk) 12:21, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, Gilabrand, but I edit late at night. I was trying to paraphrase WP:Naming Conventions: Article names should be easily recognizable by English speakers.Yoninah (talk) 17:24, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree Besides being a more common usage, the comment above that Hebrew grammar rules should apply is incorrect. The phrase entered Hebrew via Yiddish, and in Yiddish it is actually pronounced (correctly) as sholembayis or shulembayis. --Redaktor (talk) 13:04, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Shlom bayit is based on Yiddish??? That is so ridiculous it doesn't even deserve a reply. I just read a comment by some Wikipedian who writes that the original language of the Bible was Greek. Do you think it was Yiddish? --Gilabrand (talk) 14:11, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note to Fuhghettaboutit: The WP instructions said to put the move notice at the top of the talk page and open a new section heading entitled "Requested moves", which I did. Those other posts that you refer to were there from more than a year ago. I just added a section heading to them to make it clear that they're not part of our consensus discussion.. Yoninah (talk) 08:45, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Literal translation

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I changed the literal translation from peace at home to peace [at] home since peace at home would be "shalom babayit". The actual literal translation of the colloquial "shalom bayit" would be peace home - quite nonsensical, if you ask me. The literal translation of the correct Hebrew term "sh'lom bayit" is peace of home. -- -- -- 23:34, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Update: On 29/Dec/13, an anonymous editor changed the literal translation from peace [at] home to peace of the home. -- -- -- 22:32, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Charity

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There's a charity in San Francisco called Shalom Bayit that focuses on dealing with domestic violence. They should probably get their own entry and a referral from here, but lacking that, at least mentioning them in this article would make sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.174.32.192 (talk) 09:59, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]