Talk:Shaolin vs. Wu-Tang
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Producer Correction
[edit]Alchemist on Twitter just confirmed that Erick Sermon is wrongly credited as the producer for the track 'Every Soldier In The Hood'. It is produced by Madlib's brother Oh No[1]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.135.32.41 (talk) 18:45, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
We're basing the credits off the album's credits, not Alchemists twitter page (though his claim may very well be true). --Blastmaster11 (talk) 22:31, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
It doesn't matter, just like Cuban Linx II there LOADS of errors from incorrect producers to missing guest spots. Sermon is just incorrectly credited, stop listing him as the producer. I have the evidence from Alchemist already. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.135.40.4 (talk) 23:52, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
- What is it with the attitude about liner notes? You act like they're unreliable and tossed-off. At Wikipedia, the threshold for inclusion is verifiability, not truth. Liner notes published by the record label are more likely to be accurate. Dan56 (talk) 00:27, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
No attitude here, just as you said Wiki goes by verifiability not truth, well Alchemist just VERIFIED Oh No's contribution. Liner notes from albums are NOT always 100% accurate, especially considering Wu-Tang related releases (who are notorious for this). Bulletproof Wallets had a messed up tracklisting, so did Supreme Clientele by listing Masta Killa on a track he didn't appear. Cuban Linx II is the PERFECT EXAMPLE of liner notes that ARE UNRELIABLE and should be considered tossed-off. The true producers are usually revealed after the album is released when mistakes are made. (Like RZA producing the remix to Meth's 'Party Crasher' or when it was revealed True Master produced by 'Fat Lady Sings' & 'Paper Plates' even though the liner notes list RZA). Here are the mistakes by CL2's booklet...Shaolin vs. Wu-Tang is NO DIFFERENT when it comes to its mistakes. Its not Sermon, its Oh No.
A) Back of CD incorrectly spells "Poppa Wu" to "Papu Wu"
B) Back of CD does not include GZA as a guest for 'House Of Flying Daggers' (as well as in the liner notes)
C) Back of CD does not include Ghostface Killah as a guest for 'Gihad' (but in the liner notes it does)
D) Back of CD incorrectly lists 'Icewater Productions' as the producer for 'Have Mercy' when it is actually MoSS
E) Back of CD incorrectly lists RZA as the producer for 'Fat Lady Sings' when it is actually True Master
F) Back of CD does not include Busta Rhymes as a guest for 'About Me' (as well as in the liner notes)
G) Liner notes incorrectly list Busta Rhymes as an exec. producer for the album when he himself dropped out of that role
H) Back of CD lists 'Icewater Productions' as the producer for 'Cold Outside' yet in the liner notes lists 'ATL' as the producer
I) 'Black Mozart' doesn't list RZA as a guest in the liner notes unlike the back of the CD
J) Liner notes credit 'Icewater Productions' as producers for 'Fat Lady Sings' (despite saying it was RZA in the back of the CD)
K) Liner notes do not list Ghostface Killah as a guest for 'Mean Streets' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.135.40.4 (talk) 01:02, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Here's more proof from Oh No's Twitter account where he's giving props to Raekwon & Method Man for appearing on his track.
http://twitter.com/ohnothedisrupt
"SLyiLa @ohnothedisrupt EverySoldierInTheHOOD. you tanked that track. Should've known it was you but hey, I've only had the album for a day."
"Shouts to @Raekwon and @methodman for murdering my beat!!! Every soldier in the hood #shaolinvswu-tanginstorestomorrow" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.135.40.4 (talk) 04:05, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Producers / guests
[edit]The HipHopDX tracklisting is NOT the official one. The YRB Magazine article strictly states by Raekwon himself that THAT tracklisting is in the correct order, plus the DX one incorrectly lists Ghostface Killah on the track 'Chop Chop Ninja' when it actually includes Inspectah Deck. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.135.35.116 (talk) 20:13, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
The official tracklisting has been officially revealed by YRB Magazine with the correct order of tracks. The Havoc produced track 'Your World & My World' has been officially added & is no longer a iTunes bonus, only "Wu Crime" is now a bonus cut.[1]
There is a new tracklisting with a different order of the songs listed in my reference.[2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlos10304 (talk • contribs) 21:26, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Lloyd Banks is a confirmed guest for the album on a Scram Jones produced track called 'Last Train To Scotland'.[3]
No I.D. is also a confirmed producer for the album.[4] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.135.45.127 (talk) 10:28, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
That is not the official cover, only the single cover for 'Shaolin vs Wu-Tang'. Also the tracklisting has been released from Rap Radar.[5] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.135.61.143 (talk) 22:20, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Why isn't Scram Jones listed as the producer to Last Train To Scotland? I posted my reference saying hes the official producer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.135.61.143 (talk) 23:22, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Cilvaringz is an official producer for the album produced Track 3 'Silver Rings' with Ghostface Killah according to this interview.[6] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlos10304 (talk • contribs) 02:57, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
GZA's song/verse was cut from the album so he should no longer be listed as a guest artist for the album. Also, other producers have been confirmed such as Erick Sermon, DJ Khalil, Havoc, Allah Mathematics & Kenny Dope.[7] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlos10304 (talk • contribs) 03:55, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
Why isn't Cilvaringz credited as producer for Track 3 'Silver Rings'? I already posted my link/reference — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlos10304 (talk • contribs) 19:08, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
The tracklisting is correct but not in its finalized order according to XXL Mag.[8] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlos10304 (talk • contribs) 23:41, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
The finalized tracklisting was given to Complex.com Please do not delete the new tracklisting & it lists the producers as well. Kanye West, Scoop DeVille & Pete Rock were all cut from the album so don't keep listing them as producers either. There will be 2 iTunes bonus tracks & "The Scroll" was taken off the final tracklisting.[9] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlos10304 (talk • contribs) 02:40, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
- I have no doubts that this "finalized" tracklisting is the right one, but we should calm down when different ones get posted. When Cuban Linx 2 was about to be released there was a million different track listings posted all over the internet, and there was plenty of drama on wikipedia w/ different users fighting over different ones - let's not repeat that. --Blastmaster11 (talk) 03:59, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Then you should also delete 'The Scroll' as it was not listed & cut from the Complex.com review — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlos10304 (talk • contribs) 04:26, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
- I restored the list of producers that were previously listed in the Producers section. Although many of them didn't make the final cut, it's worth mentioning in the article that they were, at one point or another, a part of the project. --Blastmaster11 (talk) 20:23, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Remove the nme review
[edit]It's obvious the reviewer hasn't heard the album and doesn't know what he's taking about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.56.162.185 (talk) 18:21, 16 June 2011 (UTC)