Talk:Milan the Leather Boy

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Changed rating to a B. I pulled at least two dozen scattered entries and drew on my own limited knowledge of this artist. Much of the info that I assembled in late 2006 – in particular a blog on www.garagepunk.com with multiple entries – has now disappeared from the Web. This gentleman has numerous record-collector fans, and his classic singles go from $50 to $80 these days, when they can be located at all. Shocking Blue (talk) 12:11, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Milan Cover

As far as I can tell, I meet the non-free criteria for the cover I used as a photograph of Milan (aka The Leather Boy), but I could certainly be enlightened. I thought that using album covers (or single covers in this case) was okay as photographs of recording artists. If you think I have too many non-free images, I can drop the one that shows up later, but this is the one that gives the best picture.

There seems to be a trend of there being no photographs of musicians for a large percentage of the pages that I visit (or else it is a barely discernible photo from a concert somewhere), and I also detect that, generally, the use of album and single covers is getting to be frowned upon a little more than necessary. I can go on the web and find hundreds of copies of some album covers, and while I respect copyright notices as much as the next guy, it seems to me that copyrighted photographs is the kind of material that should be getting this kind of scrutiny. Shocking Blue (talk) 23:31, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

As Template:Non-free album cover on the image page states "This image is of a cover of an audio recording, and the copyright for it is most likely owned by either the publisher of the album or the artist(s) which produced the recording or cover artwork in question. It is believed that the use of low-resolution images of such covers * solely to illustrate the audio recording in question, * on the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law. Any other uses of this image, on Wikipedia or elsewhere, may be copyright infringement." Also as Wikipedia:Non-free content states "Some copyrighted images may be used on Wikipedia, providing they meet both the legal criteria for fair use, and Wikipedia's own guidelines for non-free content. Copyrighted images that reasonably can be replaced by free/libre images are not suitable for Wikipedia. Cover art: Cover art from various items, for identification only in the context of critical commentary of that item (not for identification without critical commentary)."

Unless there is critical commentary about the album/single, cover art can only be used on the album/single page as a means of showing the album/single. Using cover art to show a musician/band in their article infobox or using cover art in a discography section is not fair use of the non-free image because there is no corresponding critical commentary in either the infobox or the discography. Aspects (talk) 14:22, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I had been mulling over exactly the way that I would express how pointlessly rigid this kind of policy is, but I haven't the heart for another long discussion about Wikipedia guidelines since I just went through one on the number of albums requirement for WP:MUSIC. And then this morning I realized that I do have critical commentary on this single – to wit (under the Reissues section): This particular compilation album starts off with both sides of a 1967 single by The Leather Boy, "I'm a Leather Boy" and "Shadows", while "You Gotta Have Soul" closes the album. The former cut is an exuberant garage rock track that features actual sounds of motorcycles in the background that even Steppenwolf eschewed, while the latter is a passionate romp that has a similar gritty feel. "Shadows" is a marvelous psychedelic rock masterwork that appears on the Pebbles box sets called Pebbles Box and Trash Box but is not otherwise available in the Pebbles series on CD. I have put it back as the Infobox picture; surely I don't have to put it somewhere else in the article, or do I? I mean, if that is the way Wikipedia wants it, I guess that I can put up with it; but back in the 1960's, bands were not nearly so photographed and promoted as they are now, and 40-year-old publicity photos are going to be nearly impossible to find nowadays. That goes double for artists like Milan, who were trying to be anonymous. Shocking Blue (talk) 18:53, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Milan Radenkovic?

A user named KlausHoehn may have the straight story on Milan; several details were added and then removed by this user about date of birth, approximate date and cause of death, mother's name, etc. (It is still in the "History" section). Of course, this is the second time this has happened; about a year and a half ago, someone changed "Rick Rodell" to "Richard (Rick) Rodell" and has a user name of "Darinka Rodell", which gave that change a ring of authenticity as well. I found two or three dozen posts on Milan all over the web and looked in other sources available to me and never found anyone that talked of him in this level of detail. There was one post in a bulletin board that I saved somewhere which alleged that Milan was still alive, that he had talked to him (written sometime in the early 2000's). There were no details of course, as there is never seems to be about any of the information that I tried to put together. I feel confident that the discography is correct, but the rest of it I am still unclear about.

I would love to be able to add the information that this user put in and then took out if someone can provide some sort of corroboration. Wikipedia is pretty particular about finding sources for articles; but if I can be directed to a secondary source, or if someone knew him personally, that would be enough I think. I never worked so hard or felt so pleased with any of the 100 or so articles that I have written for Wikipedia as I have the Milan article, and I'd really like to get the story straight.

You might not expect it, but there was a lot of Yugoslavian immigration into the Mississippi Gulf Coast region where I live (Biloxi, Gulfport, etc.) in the early 20th Century. Slavic names are common throughout the Coast: Mladinich, Gruich, Butirich, Sekul – and those are just the ones I know. Shocking Blue (talk) 22:51, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

If the Milan Radenkovic information in the "History" section is correct, then Milan had an older brother, Petar Radenkovic. Petar was born in 1934 (10 years before Milan) and was also the son of Rascha Rodell (which was evidently a stage name for his father); he remained in Yugoslavia after his parents moved to the U.S. before World War II. Petar was a goalkeeper for a German soccer team and has a sizable article (http://de.wiki.x.io/wiki/Petar_Radenkovi%C4%87) in the German Wikipedia and a stub in the English Wikipedia. Petar was evidently pretty prominent in the 1960's and is the author of two books. Shocking Blue (talk) 16:23, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Brand new in Wiki, does not know how it really works but concerning Milan singles discography you're missing two: 1/ Milan with his orchestra "Santa's doin'the twist/Swing a little longer" - 1962 MIGON 2/ Milan "Runnin'wild/Angel Lullaby" 20th Century Fox. For the second, I'll provide the exact reference when I will get the 45 back (in two weeks) Please I'd appreciate If you can contact me about Milan: olivier.alazard@free.fr Koalafuzz (talk) 22:46, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Petar Radenkovich

Regarding Milan and Petar being brothers: I have been in contact with his sister, who lives in Florida, who confirmed this beyond any doubt. Although the English article is very short, the German article on Petar Radenkovich mentions his father as being Rascha Rodell also. Shocking Blue (talk) 11:16, 28 October 2009 (UTC)