Talk:List of scientists in medieval Islamic world

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This page needs to be divided into Muslim Scientists from 8th-16th century, and contemporary Muslim scientists. Kxiqbal (talk) 17:58, 23 March 2010 (UTC)kamran[reply]

Removing them one/one PROJECT

LOL ,, yes ,, reMove them ONE per ONE till this list will be empty ( and we will remove it finally ) ,, what the hell is the value that a scientist be a Muslim or a Christian or a Jew or an atheist? :/ --41.103.64.199 (talk) 00:18, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If he say : bismi-llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm in the fist page of his books ,, SO HE IS A MUSLIM ,,, Otherwise he is a hypocrite :/ hypocrite scientist yay :/ ,, can any one add a new category for those "hypocrite scientist" --41.103.64.199 (talk) 00:18, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This page is a joke!

How on earth do you consider someone to be a physicist or mathematician from a couple of vague statement that he/she made.

eg: Prophet Muhammad is recorded under physicist !!

Also the people who co-founded Hotmail and Youtube WERE NOT Computer Scientists!!! They should be included in an entrepreneurs list —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.98.147.88 (talk) 01:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, Islam has no connection with science. Islam supports supernatural ideas, while science is naturalist. No wonder so many on this list are obscure old timers who simply translated from the Greek. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.244.35.123 (talk) 13:37, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No, they're not just "take it from the Greek". People with historical knowledge know that the Muslim did indeed IMPROVE the sciences of their predecessors (like the Greeks, pre-Islamic Persians and others) and INVENT their own things.Only Moronic human will say that Islam has no connection with science.

GrandSultanMaeltheGreat (talk) 12:29, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

when new theories are given older ones are considered as jokes, then according to your logic newtons gravitational work is a joke because it is not legitimate in front of genral theory of relativity. science is developed in steps

Zeus 06:51, 4 September 2018 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeusades (talk • contribs)

Incorrect Identifications

I have removed Al Battani and Thabit ibn Qurra from the list. Their articles clearly state that they are of some form of Sabians and not Muslims. According to the Quran and Hadith "Sabians" are People of the Book as are Jews and Christians and therefore are not technically Muslims as strictly defined by the "believers". In addition, these groups worshipped the stars (a leading factor to their interest in astronomy), and so would definately be guilty of shirk as defined by Islam. If one were to say that a "Muslim" is anyone who submits to One God, then one might as well add all the members of the Jewish and Christian lists to this one, which would obviously be absurd (though it would multiply its volume exponentially). Thabit ibn Qurra's article even goes as far as to state "...This sect lived in the vicinity of the main center of the Caliphate until 1258, when the Mongols destroyed their last shrine. During Muslim rule, they were a protected minority,...". This is a list of Muslims and NOT a list of people living within Islamic civilization.

No you are wrong :/ ... he was a Muslim ,, you can read the Arabic books , you are not in the correct way , emmm at least . he not a Christian and not Jewish ,,, but all of his sons have a Muslim names , and they are Muslims , OK . i don't go to reAdd "Thabit ibn Qurra" but just to say > STOP Hatred :/ -- Me!

You make a good case. You may consider removing them from Category:Muslim scientists. Although standards of what fits a Category can be different so I'm uncertain there. Also "Sabian scientists" is probably too specific to be its own category so it's of course your call.--T. Anthony 04:55, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

As for the issue you raised of what fits a Category, the uncertainty exists more for some Categories than for others. In evaluating who fits in to the Category of Muslim scientists, all we need to do is find the definition of who is a Muslim. Unlike the terms Hindu and Jew which have not only religious but also ethnic and national connotations at the same time, Muslim as defined by Islam is only a religious connotation - a Muslim "is an adherent of Islam." To further my example, when a Jew stops practicing Judaism he is still a Jew or when an Indian (taking the literal and original meaning of "Hindu") stops practicing Hinduism he is still considered a "Hindu", a person who doesn't adhere to Islam - which Islam says is belief in the shahadah and adherence to the Five Pillars, there is no reason to consider him a Muslim. The issue of who is a Muslim should NOT be ambiguous becuase it is defined by Islam itself. These two people (or at the very least Thabit ibn Qurra in light of your comment below) are not Muslims by the definitions that Islam sets.

Although on Al Battani it says the following "as-Sabi suggests that among his ancestry were members of the Sabian sect who worshiped the stars, however, his full name affirms that he was Muslim." Which indicates he has Sabian ancestry, but was himself Muslim. Although there is ambiguity there.--T. Anthony 04:58, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

My response would be that this is an illogical conclusion by the author/editor of that article written to defend the identification of a Muslim while admitting that under Islam he would not be considered so. I don't assume that this needs very much discussion, but the consideration that his full name is a Muslim one is explained by the fact that by 850 CE Islam had been become ingrained in the culture itself of most groups of Muslims, and is even further countered be the repeated fact that he would be guilty of shirk according to Islam. I will remove Thabit ibn Qurra from Category:Muslim scientists and wait action on Al Battani until we resolve this immediate issue.

Sounds good by me.--T. Anthony 09:16, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

i have removed abdul kalam ( father of india's nuclear/missile program ) as he doesnot seem to have any significant scientific achievments ( his work is not directed towards scientific discovery i.e. he is not someone who has pursued science for science's sake or someone who has made any new scientific discoveries ) but someone whos work is focused on acquring a technology that is already in existance,whos scientific aspects have already been discovered, for the state of india to achieve certain political ends (ironically directed against a muslim country Pakistan ).When we talk of muslim scientists, we mean those scientists who were in some way motivated by islam or an islam based culture to pursue scientific discovery.What abdul kalam has done is akin to transfer of technology not scientific research and judging by his secular tendencies and the fact that he is overtly against India's muslim neighbour Pakistan, we can't say that he's a muslim scientist. Clearly his science doesnot have anything to do with islam ,muslim culture or muslim aspirations. Abdul kalam should rather be included in an India based article. Falcon7385 16:45, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

FROM THE 0 ???? --Me!

Pointless incomplete list

I suggest putting an AFD or severely revising it. 65.10.35.147 20:41, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think we can ever have a list of muslims who have contributed to our society(as Islam is not a minority religion with very few followers). I agree with the above, it's a pointless and incomplete list(India's President Kalam was not in the list, to which I have added him now).Sandyr86 12:33, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Al-Khwarzimi

I read remark here that his faith was disputed, but this page doesn't say anything about it, "(disputed[1])"

except "Al'Khwarizmi wrote on Hindu-Arabic numerals and was the first to use zero as a place holder in positional base notation.".

If someone is so ignorant to deduce from this sentence that his faith was disputed, he shouldn't bother editing wikipedia's article about science. (The early mathematicians didn't use the number zero, zero was "discovered" by Hindus and then used by Arabs who introduced it in Spain and from there it reached the Western Scientists of the later centuries. Anyone who knows this wouldn't doubt Al-Khwarzimi's faith by reading that sentence quoted above.) Waqas.usman 11:56, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Abdus Salam?

The Pakistani government considers Abdus Salam to be a wretched Qadiani pretending to be a Muslim, so I don't see how they can have it both ways... AnonMoos 10:44, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's just saying he is Pakistani. It doesn't say what the Pakistan government feels about it. For example an Iranian physicist is still Iranian even if he's been imprisoned by the mullah-influenced state.--T. Anthony 12:43, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Razhes (Razi)

According to the book Rebirth by Shoja-e-din Shafa, and Al-Razi's article in wikipedia itself (Both English and Farsi) Razi was not a muslim, actually he was an atheist, so I'm removing him from the list

LOL ,, yes ,, reMove them ONE per ONE till empty this list ,, heeeeeey : STOP Hatred ,, what the hell is the value that a doctor be a Muslim or a Christian or a Jew or an atheist? if he say : bismi-llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm in the fist page of his books ,, SO HE IS A MUSLIM ,,, Otherwise he is a hypocrite :/ hypocrite scientist yay :/ ,, can any one add a new category for those "hypocrite scientist"

I looked at his article and it doesn't say that: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Zakariya_al-Razi.

He clearly wasn't a Muslim and hated established religion, but he believed in some sort of god, seeing as in these quotes from that same article...

"I prayed to God to direct and lead me to the truth in writing this book..."

"...[medicine is] instituted for the benefit and welfare of the human race, and God imposed on physicians the oath not to compose mortiferous remedies"

... he talks quite a lot about god. His god did not create the universe but arranged it from existing principles. I guess it's a form of deism. Is there a list of deist scientists? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.200.110.146 (talk) 09:48, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Born and dead

It could really be nice to have some years for when they are born and died... ChristianB 19:17, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced

I will start removing unsourced information in a week. See for example List of atheists. Arrow740 (talk) 07:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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DumZiBoT (talk) 02:06, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This page should be restricted to muslim scientists prior to 16th century

That's the golden era of the Middle Eastern muslim states. Modern-day muslim scientists have nothing to do with that culturally. It's absurd to mix one's religion to modern science, it just doesn't have any relevance. Should we also compile a list of Christian scientists? (: --Sigmundur (talk) 23:11, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

At the least, the modern entries should be moved from List of modern Muslim scientists, and removed from this page. Dialectric (talk) 14:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There exists a List of Jewish scientists and philosophers (which actually is composed of several lists). This article is not meant to unify on any ground other than professed religion (Islam). For example, List of British scientists contains entry as diverse as Isaac Newton and Greg Winter.VR _talk 08:12, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

At the very least, for recent scientists, a reference justifying the claim that they are Muslim should be provided. For instance, it's not because a scientist is born in a country known for a certain religion that they necessarily are of that religion... especially if they have moved to another country which is much more liberal on religion! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.245.223.35 (talk) 09:23, 13 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What is the meaning of this page?

My guesses are: The racism of some arabs and the prejudice of some muslims.

Do they make a list about christian scientists as well? or more to the point a list about Human Scientists!

So what if they were muslim? Most of the people in this list were Iranian/Persian, their invention and contributions had NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM, they did all that in spite of Islam not because of it. As we have seen Islam is wholeheartedly against science and development. Most of them did in fact not follow Islam, and some of them even opposed it secretly, for publicly announcing you're not a muslim anymore would get you executed and it still does in the muslim countries.

Wikipedia has become a breeding ground for fanaticism, racism and religious propaganda. —Preceding unsigned comment added by IranianPersian (talk • contribs) 18:05, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You ask in the title "What is the meaning of this page?" but only a few lines in you say that Islam is against science, which is the answer to your question. You would be correct in saying that grouping scientists according to religion is pointless, but the only reason this list was attempted was to contest the core of your message, that Islam is against development and that Muslims contribute little. The list may not be the fitting rebuttal many wish for, but I think the reason for this list is now not only clear, but also justified. AbbzAD (talk) 00:43, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

.PEOPLE NEED TO LEARN HISTORY AND SEE THINGS IN HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE.THIS IS MY SUBJECT AND I WILL DEAL WITH IT.MUSLIM SCIENTISTS ARE CALLED 'MUSLIM SCIENTISTS' BECAUSE OF GREAT SCIENTIFIC PROGRESS MADE BY ARABS/PERSIANS ETC UNDER THE ISLAMIC EMPIRE.LATER,ISLAMIC EMPIRE CHANGED THE WHOLE WORLD FOREVER(positive or in negative way that's debatable).Bold textBEFORE ISLAM,ARABS WERE THERE,PERSIANS WERE THERE ETC BUT NO SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH WAS THERE. BUT AFTER THE ARRIVAL OF ISLAM IN THESE LANDS,HISTORY SAW THE REVOLUTION CALLED 'FIRST KNOWLEDGE BASED REVOLUTION'.ILLITERATES BECAME THE TOP SCIENTISTS OF THE WORLDBold text.THAT'S WHY THEY ARE SPECIALLY REFERRED AS 'MUSLIM SCIENTISTS' IN THE HISTORY...MUSLIMS CAN ARGUE THAT IT WAS BECAUSE OF GLORIOUS RELIGION( THAT THEY BELIEVE ISLAM TO BE) WHILE OTHERS CAN OBJECT THAT VIEW...BUT THE FACT OF THE HISTORY IS THAT THIS SCIENTIFIC REVOLUTION CAME AFTER THE ARRIVAL OF ISLAM. HOPE I MADE MY POINT CLEAR. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.140.57.87 (talk) 07:32, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ibn al-Nafis - Incorrect Occupations

Ibn al-Nafis is listed here as a sociologist, but the Wikipedia article says he was (among other things) a physician who was the first to describe the pulmonary circulation of the blood. Sociology is not mentioned anywhere in the article. Was sociology even a field of study in the 13th Century? So, I'm changing "sociologist" to "physician."

Scratch that. There's already an entry under "Physicians and Surgeons" and under "Geographers and Earth Scientists" but there's nothing in the Wiki article that says anything about those occupations. Although, he was writing a 300 Volume Encyclopedia, he could have also have been an expert in those areas as well. I'm leaving it alone, but suggest that the two should be coordinated. If he was engaged in those other occupations, they should be listed in the Wikipedia article. If he wasn't they should be deleted from this list. 68.50.227.52 (talk) 19:34, 7 October 2011 (UTC) Forgot to sign in. Ileanadu (talk) 19:36, 7 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

edited

The sources are all given both in their specific page and the list page it self, it is crucial to understand their origins, as an Arab growing up I was confused by the abrupt end of the golden age and the explanation to why it ended was always, it was the wests fault! But when i started doing my research on the subject it became clear that the golden age started with the conquest of persia and Spain and ended with them leaving the caliphate! I know that this is a sensitive issue, thats why i dont say it out right. But we need to stop blaming the west for everything and that starts by taking a serious look at our self and our past and not lying to our selves!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.170.129.159 (talk) 04:02, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I fail to see how adding nationalities does anything for that. And as multiple editors have now reverted your change, please stop doing it until you can persuade people HERE that it is a good idea. If you continue just trying to push your version, you will be blocked from editing. noq (talk) 08:43, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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There are two references on the page to Al-Khazini, one which lists his years as (1115-1130) and one which states it as (115-1130). The second one is clearly a small typo, but both should have it (fl. 1115-1130), since those are years flourished, not years lived. Hyperjeff (talk) 15:20, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done I've also added a "fl." to someone who otherwise apparently died aged 1 - Arjayay (talk) 16:58, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Khayyam

according to references Omar Khayyam was agnostic. see --– Hossein Iran « talk » 01:11, 6 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The article is supposed to be a list of notable Muslim scientists from around 800-1400, but no sources indicae that many of the figures listed were Muslim. Yes these scientists lived in Arab countries during these years but it doesn't mean they were Muslim. We should go by reliable sources, and if there are actual sources that say a person was an adherent of Islam, they can not rightly be included in this list. Gzorba (talk) 17:26, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]