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Pop punk ? Grunge?

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Please, the album is not pop punk neither grunge. It is far away from them, it actually draws more influence with industrial, alternative, ambient and electronic than pop punk and grunge. The only track with a pop-punk-influenced sound is Easier than lying, which has a more industrial vibe, and the one closer to post-grunge (NOT grunge) is You Asked for This, which sounds closer to a Garbage (band) song rather than a grunge band. 190.64.87.114 (talk) 19:18, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is Wikipedia, we need to go by what reliable sources say on the matter. Feel free to provide reliable sources that verify other genre and they can potentially be added, but if reliable sources verify these ones, then they're generally fair game. Your concerns can't be " I don't agree with the source", it would have to be "the source is unreliable" or "the source doesn't actually verify the genre for the album". Personally, the only concern I've observed so far is that one of the sources says "grunge-pop", and we don't recognize that as an actually genre. I'm not certain just linking to "grunge" is correct. Sergecross73 msg me 19:26, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In this case grunge-pop usually tends to refers to post-grunge, which is like the "poppier" version of grunge. Calling the album "pop-punk", just because one song has some upbeat punk-influenced sounds, would't be appropiated. Most of the reviews have praised and highlighted the industrial genre influence on the album.[1][2][3][4][5] 190.64.87.114 (talk) 19:43, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Most of these mention things like industrial "aspects" and influences but stop short of literally calling it a "industrial album". The article's prior status reflected this as such too - the music section makes mention of industrial and ambient sounds. Looking at your sources, you could, for example, use the Vulture source to call it a "rock album" in the infobox, but it never really directly and collectively calls it anything on the album level. If the source for pop punk only refers to a single song, then yes, it should be removed from the infobox. Is that the case? I had not checked it. (I have not written any if this article, I've just been keeping an eye on it.)Sergecross73 msg me 19:52, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've checked, and the pop punk source alludes to the album collectively, not just a song or two. Sergecross73 msg me 19:53, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.hotpress.com/music/album-review-halsey-if-i-cant-have-love-i-want-power-22868569 Halsey and Reznor are a match made in industrial crossover heaven
  2. ^ https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/review-halsey-inch-nails-terrific-direction-79643244 Reznor and Ross have imbued the project with their special brand of ambient and post-industrial dread.
  3. ^ https://www.vulture.com/2021/08/halsey-if-i-cant-have-love-i-want-power-album-review.html If I Can’t Have Love, I Want Power seeks and finds a common ground between the gothic industrial kings and the pop star
  4. ^ https://www.insider.com/halsey-if-i-cant-have-love-i-want-power-best-moments-album-review-2021-8#bells-in-santa-fe-is-an-eerie-song-that-hinges-on-the-refrain-all-of-this-is-temporary-2 Menacing, industrial synths swell around Halsey's delicate vocals
  5. ^ https://www.thehypemagazine.com/2021/08/halseys-new-album-if-i-cant-have-love-i-want-power-is-out/ an industrial-leaning masterpiece….Halsey is not a woman, they’re a rock God. And IICHLIWP proves she’s earned the title
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