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On 9 July 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Criticism of the Israeli government to Criticism of Israel. The result of the discussion was moved.

Request for Edit

Hello, I would like to request an edit. The specific passage in question is as follows:

Original: "In 2002 Desmond Tutu is a critic of Israel who has compared Israel's policies to apartheid South Africa. Tutu wrote that criticism of Israel is suppressed in the United States, and that criticisms of Israel are 'immediately dubbed anti-Semitic'.”

Proposed Amendment: "In 2002, Desmond Tutu, a critic of Israel, compared Israel's policies to apartheid-era South Africa. Tutu wrote that criticism of Israel is suppressed in the United States, and that criticisms of Israel are 'immediately dubbed anti-Semitic'.” Bernsteinnn (talk) 05:11, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done. –CWenger (^ • @) 13:45, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed changes to in first paragraph of intro

The current first paragraph contains the following sentence:

Israel has faced international criticism since its declaration of independence in 1948 relating to a variety of topics,^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4] both historical and contemporary.

First, I propose to remove all citations to Alan Deshowitz's book which has been exposed as a fraud, with multiple sections plagiarized directly from another fraud (Joan Peters' book).

Second, I propose to remove citation 3 here which includes a quote which is definitely not NPOV, and is hardly relevant to the topic.

Third, I propose to remove citation 4 which is more of a response to criticisms rather than criticisms in their own right, so it's not a good citation for this first sentence. This article also conflates the notion of criticism of Israel with "vilification" of Israel.

I also propose to rework this sentence to be more consistent with the rest of the article and remove vague or non-essential content:

Israel has faced international criticism since its declaration of independence in 1948 relating to a variety of issues, many of which are centered around human rights violations in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip.

DMH43 (talk) 03:53, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Dershowitz, Alan (2004). The Case for Israel. p. 1. The Jewish nation of Israel stands accused in the dock of international justice. The charges include being a criminal state, the prime violator of human rights, the mirror image of Nazism, and the most intransigent barrier to peace in the Middle East. Throughout the world, from the chambers of the United Nations to the campuses of universities, Israel is singled out for condemnation, divestment, boycott and demonization.
^ Dershowitz, Alan (2009). The Case Against Israel's Enemies: Exposing Jimmy Carter and Others Who Stand in the Way of Peace. pp. 1–2. For a tiny nation of little more than six and a half million citizens living in an area roughly the size of New Jersey, Israel has proportionally more enemies than any nation on earth. No nation has been threatened more often with divestment, boycotts, and other sanctions. No nation has generated more protests against it on college and university campuses. No nation has been targeted for as much editorial abuse from the worldwide media. No nation has been subjected to more frequent threats of annihilation. No nation has had more genocidal incitements directed against its citizens. It is remarkable indeed that a democratic nation born in response to a decision of the United Nations should still not be accepted by so many countries, groups, and individuals. No other UN member is threatened with physical destruction by other member states so openly and with so little rebuke from the General Assembly or the Security Council. Indeed, no nation, regardless of its size or the number of deaths it has caused, has been condemned as often by the UN and its constituent bodies. Simply put, no nation is hated as much as the Jewish nation.
^ Hagee, John (2007). In Defense of Israel. p. 1. You look toward the United Nations, which Ambassador Dore Gold calls 'the Tower of Babble'. You look at Europe, where the ghost of Hitler is again walking across the stage of history. You open your newspapers and read about American universities, where Israel is being vilified by students taught by professors whose Middle Eastern chairs are sponsored by Saudi Arabia. You look to America's mainline churches and see their initiatives to divest from Israel. You go to the bookstore and see slanderous titles by the former president of the United States - and you feel very much alone.
^ "Domain Names and Web Hosting by IPOWER". Globalpolitician.com. Archived from the original on 2012-10-16. Retrieved 2014-08-18.

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Please add a clarification at this article's top saying "not to be confused with criticism of Judaism". It is a common confusion and hopefully one to alleviate. Lan Pee (talk) 16:21, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[Dershowitz_Case-1] Dershowitz, Alan (2004). The Case for Israel. p. 1. The Jewish nation of Israel stands accused in the dock of international justice. The charges include being a criminal state, the prime violator of human rights, the mirror image of Nazism, and the most intransigent barrier to peace in the Middle East. Throughout the world, from the chambers of the United Nations to the campuses of universities, Israel is singled out for condemnation, divestment, boycott and demonization.

[Dershowitz_Case2-2] Dershowitz, Alan (2009). The Case Against Israel's Enemies: Exposing Jimmy Carter and Others Who Stand in the Way of Peace. pp. 1–2. For a tiny nation of little more than six and a half million citizens living in an area roughly the size of New Jersey, Israel has proportionally more enemies than any nation on earth. No nation has been threatened more often with divestment, boycotts, and other sanctions. No nation has generated more protests against it on college and university campuses. No nation has been targeted for as much editorial abuse from the worldwide media. No nation has been subjected to more frequent threats of annihilation. No nation has had more genocidal incitements directed against its citizens. It is remarkable indeed that a democratic nation born in response to a decision of the United Nations should still not be accepted by so many countries, groups, and individuals. No other UN member is threatened with physical destruction by other member states so openly and with so little rebuke from the General Assembly or the Security Council. Indeed, no nation, regardless of its size or the number of deaths it has caused, has been condemned as often by the UN and its constituent bodies. Simply put, no nation is hated as much as the Jewish nation.

[Hagee-3] Hagee, John (2007). In Defense of Israel. p. 1. You look toward the United Nations, which Ambassador Dore Gold calls 'the Tower of Babble'. You look at Europe, where the ghost of Hitler is again walking across the stage of history. You open your newspapers and read about American universities, where Israel is being vilified by students taught by professors whose Middle Eastern chairs are sponsored by Saudi Arabia. You look to America's mainline churches and see their initiatives to divest from Israel. You go to the bookstore and see slanderous titles by the former president of the United States - and you feel very much alone.

[4] "Domain Names and Web Hosting by IPOWER". Globalpolitician.com. Archived from the original on 2012-10-16. Retrieved 2014-08-18.

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