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Here are two categories from pt-wiki that could be used to find additional entries appropriate for addition to this list:

Thanks go to User:PauloMSimoes for suggesting these at another discussion; thanks, Paulo! Mathglot (talk) 19:20, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

These categories give an idea of how hard this work is. I'm happy to contribute. If you notify me on my talk page in Portuguese for some help (only a short alert), I can respond faster. Tks--PauloMSimoes (talk) 20:22, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How to handle police operations that are, or are not part of Lava Jato

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I was thinking about how we want to handle various police operations that investigated scandals or corruption, where some of these Operations are part of the larger, Operation Car Wash investigation, while other operations are not part of it.

You can find these investigations with names like "Operação <something>" in the #Portuguese categories above, under 'O'. A lot of these are part of Operation Car Wash, but many are not. As we know, we have about 60 operations that are offshoots of Operation Car Wash and 77 that are phases. I don't think we want to swamp this list article with 137 entries that are all operations under Operation Car Wash; it will just make it that much more difficult to find the other ones. On the other hand, we can't ignore them, either.

I'm thinking that we can include the non-OCW operations directly in the list, but that we can skip adding the OCW sub-operations and instead just include a "{{Further}}" link (or two) in each "year" section to cover those, for the years when OCW was active (2014–2022). Not all operações listed in the pt-wiki categories are part of OCW; some are, some aren't. Looking at just the first five at pt:Categoria:Escândalos de corrupção no Brasil#O, for example, we have:

Note that the ones with English links listed, are part of OCW, but Acrônimo and Ararath, are not. So, in going through the items in the Portuguese categories, I think we can include the ones that are *not* part of OCW directly in the list of scandals under the appropriate year, but the ones that *are* part of OCW, we shouldn't add individually to the list, because there would be too many of them, and because they are sub-operations of OCW. But I wanted to see what other editors think about this. I may take a crack at adding to the article to see how this might look. Mathglot (talk) 20:10, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mathglot are 80 phases (the last one of 2020 and last two of 2021).--PauloMSimoes (talk) 20:38, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
PauloMSimoes, yes, good catch. See Phases of Operation Car Wash. I realized I didn't look at the end of the page. Mathglot (talk) 20:43, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
OkElinruby (talk) 21:59, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ready for launch?

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Elinruby, it's looking really good. As the major contributor, I think you should make the call when it goes live, but as far as I can see, with 24kb and 38 citations, it's well past the "stub" state and the threshold for a new article, and looks ready to go. Unless there's still some final tweaks and adjustments you'd like to make before release. Once it's live and has some in-links (I can help with that part if you like), maybe we'll get more participation to fill it out. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 06:38, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever you think. Elinruby (talk) 06:42, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think we're good for release; what do you think, Paulo? Mathglot (talk) 07:36, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, @Elinruby and Mathglot: Please, I will take a look now, within an hour approx....--PauloMSimoes (talk) 15:36, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
PauloMSimoesthere is no deadline. I worked on for a while last night and don't consider it complete but that is not a requirement for publication and as Mathglot points out, more help will be available once it's published. Elinruby (talk) 15:42, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Elinruby and Mathglot: Ok. I made some changes and remarks in the text.--PauloMSimoes (talk) 17:45, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure whether the title "Operation Yanomami Shield (2023)" is correct to cite a scandal. In fact, the scandal is Yanomami humanitarian crisis, is not?--PauloMSimoes (talk) 17:55, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Aha, I didn't find that article. My thinking was not so much that the operation was a scandal as that it was necessary. So yeah, especially given that an article exists about the scandal itself exists I should probably reword, if you haven't already. Let me read the.article, or alternately we can work on it on the talk page if preferred. Bottom line, yes, you're right. Elinruby (talk) 19:57, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's worse that I thought it was, and there are potentially several scandals there. Ugh. I will need a little while to process that, but yes, it's definitely the same set of facts with some detail added. I hadn't found the stuff about the malaria drugs or the fake NGO. Elinruby (talk) 20:07, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I see Mathglot is on this, so good. I'll be back around early evening.Elinruby (talk) 20:16, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I added just a very brief synopsis, to address Paulo's very accurate point that the scandal was the humanitarian crisis (and more specifically, the government's failure to address it in a timely manner, which could have prevented it), and not the belated "Shield" operation, which was not a scandal but an attempt to address the issue. Thanks, Paulo! I haven't added anything about the drugs or NGO; feel free.
If no other issues, shall we launch? Mathglot (talk) 21:07, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's in the article he linked to. I may add it later as long as the sources are good. I have no objection to launching, see comments above.Elinruby (talk) 00:03, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There are still four empty entries: BANCOOP case, Escândalo dos bingos, Whistle scandal, and Police brutality in favelas. I think if we can add a few words to describe each of those, then we can release it. Mathglot (talk) 08:21, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, @Mathglot and Elinruby:

Also "Amazon airspace" is empty.

On "Rio Olympics (2017)", the year isn't 2009 ? Per source: "Sérgio Cabral told a judge the payment was made to secure votes in the decision-making meeting in 2009." These voting for cities candidate are made years before event.--PauloMSimoes (talk) 13:57, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Per souce:

"A former governor of Rio de Janeiro says he helped pay a $2m (£1.6m) bribe to secure the Olympic Games for the Brazilian city in 2016.

Sérgio Cabral told a judge the payment was made to secure votes in the decision-making meeting in 2009.

He said that Carlos Nuzman, then the chairman of the Brazilian Olympic Committee, handled the negotiations."

So, Carlos Nuzman is also involved and could be first cited in text (handled the bribery scheme).

The title "Rio Olympics (2017)" could be changed to "Rio Olympics 2016 candidature bribery scandal (2009)" ?--PauloMSimoes (talk) 14:29, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is the topic "Amazon clandestine aerodromes" really relevant? I think this happens in several inhospitable regions of the planet and honestly, here in Brazil this has never been treated as something relevant.--PauloMSimoes (talk) 18:41, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Paulo, if no reliable source labels it a "scandal" (or words to that effect) then it should be removed from the list. Mathglot (talk) 19:33, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at these tonight Elinruby (talk) 06:32, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
* On the date question, I have several times chosen the date an investigation began rather than the date of the alleged scandalous action(s). That might be what happened with the Olympics entry, though I don't think I wrote that one. Regardless of that however it's a reasonable question that I will look into and that maybe we should discuss. Elinruby (talk) 06:41, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think for the purpose of transparency of the article and clarity to our readers, in cases like that, I think it's okay to just spell it out in the entry, if that would help:
  • Black market in unicorns (active 2002–2005; discovered 2011) — Petrocorn was the largest company involved in the international trade in unicorns, and a major black market operation took place from 2002-2005, with sporadic activity thereafter. Prosecutor D'Artagnan's "Operation Rainbow" investigation of Petrocorn turned up evidence of black market dealings in 2011, and the recovery of 15,000 unicorns from the Enchanted Forest.[7][11]
What do you think? Also, we need some references in English for the unicorn scandal. Mathglot (talk) 06:55, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Launched

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Moved to main space. There's still stuff left to do, but it's more than ready for main space, and it's probably best to continue improvements from there. In addition, we can now work on getting it integrated into the encyclopedia (i.e., by adding in-links; see next section). Mathglot (talk) 18:42, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Wait until after release, before linking anything here.

List of candidate articles which may be useful for linking back to this article

Mathglot (talk) 07:32, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dilma Rousseff, JBS S.A., Cunha, Marcela Temer, Yanomami....off the top of my head Elinruby (talk) 15:48, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I added JBS S.A., Marcela Temer, Eduardo Cunha, and Yanomami humanitarian crisis. The list already has Impeachment of Dilma Rousseff, do we need the main bio article as well?. Feel free to edit the list above (I waive TPO) to add whichever ones you deem useful or necessary. Mathglot (talk) 21:33, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Added a few more. Mathglot (talk) 22:55, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Checked 15 boxes. Mathglot (talk) 21:01, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Checked five. Mathglot (talk) 22:39, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Checked four. Mathglot (talk) 02:43, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Did a few. Wandering off for a while given the edit conflicts. Maybe I'll try to figure out what Panama Papers or OCW should be included Elinruby (talk) 02:56, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

{[re|Elinruby}} feel free, if you want to; I'm off to the glossary until tomorrow. Mathglot (talk) 03:06, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Fix broken ping @Elinruby: Mathglot (talk) 03:06, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Shortly. Up to my knees in Nazi collaborators also Elinruby (talk) 03:16, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ciro Gomes: BLP does not mention a scandal. Was he in Car Wash? Elinruby (talk) 06:10, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata picked it up

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Pibot discovered this, and linked it as d:Q116980816. So far, this is the only Wikipedia to have the article (or at least, the only one linked to the Wikidata item. Mathglot (talk) 20:30, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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